An Apple fan who has spent “nearly 30 years as a loyal customer” says they’ve been “permanently” locked out of their Apple Account due to what might be the overzealous actions of Apple’s automated anti-fraud system. It’s left them locked out of “20 years of digital life,” and it all started with the seemingly straightforward purchase of an Apple gift card.

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[–] 162 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

Their first party account is an interesting read and available on their blog here:
https://hey.paris/posts/appleid/

The post was updated yesterday with the following:

Update 14 December 2025: Someone from Executive Relations at Apple says they’re looking into it. I hope this is true. They say they’ll call me back tomorrow, on 15 December 2025. In the mean time, it’s been covered by Daring FireballApple InsiderMichael Tsai, and others, thanks folks! I’ve received 100s of emails of support, and will reply to you all in time, thank you. Finger’s crossed Apple calls back.

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  • [–] 95 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Second Update 14 December 2025: No luck so far, and not looking good. Anyone got a good lawyer to send them a letter and/or help me sue them? paris AT paris.id.au

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah - this really confused me. Why did they make a second update on the 14th when the first update said they’d hear back on the 15th?

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago*

    He's in Australia. It was already the 15th there when he posted that, but the person you're responding to isn't in Australia and the blog they copied and pasted from probably compensated for time zones.

    Edit: Or it's a typo from a stressed and frantic person.

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    [–] 131 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Friendly advice: never put your entire life in the hands of a corporation!

    Also, the migration from local storage to the "cloud" was never a good thing for us, and the small gain in convenience wasn't worth it, but most people don't seem to realize that.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Cloud storage allows normal people to better realize a proper 3-2-1 backup strategy though, since it facilitates offsite storage.

    That being said, my very important stuff is backed up to more than one cloud provider, just in case.

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    [–] 86 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    How many cases like this aren't making the news? There are probably thousands of people who depend on Apple or Google or Dropbox and are suddenly locked out with no options.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I've seen a handful of stories about Apple and Google locking people out of their entire digital lives. I think the reason people seem not to care is that most people don't have the mental bandwidth to go against the grain and move their entire lives off of Apple and Google services, especially when they bought into these devices with the hope of making their lives easier.

    Truly, most people don't realize how dependent they are on megacorps. I've been finding that out repeatedly over the last year. I thought I was good because I don't pay for streaming services, buy video games, or order Amazon delivery... then I took inventory and realized how much I actually relied on YouTube, Twitch, Google Drive, and GitHub.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I also think it's hard to imagine that something that bad would happen to someone if they didn't really do something wrong. It seems like an online death penalty punishment, and you'd think that for that they'd really have to have proof that you were doing something horrible. It's hard to believe that they just make mistakes, and that having a human being review these cases costs them a few dollars, so they just let people's lives get ruined to increase their profits by 0.000001%

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    [–] 68 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    If it's not in your hands in an open format it's not yours.

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    [–] 57 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Not an "apple fan", an apple-focuse software dev deeply embedded in their dev community.

    Which I suppose goes a long way to explain them being multiple terabytes in the hole inside Apple's ecosystem, and also why even having a separate backup would definitely not fix their problem in the first place.

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  • [–] 61 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I think the root issue is still real, regardless of how much koolaid this person drank.

    1. Person buys a gift card from a brick-and-mortar store
    2. Apple says its fraud
    3. Locks account and refuses to elaborate
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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Agreed 100%. I think it's understandable to feel schadenfreude on someone this deeply embedded being bit by the arbitrary business practices of big corpo in a worst case scenario type of situation.

    But the problem is the business practices, not the person being affected. The guy's job feeding Apples gargantuan content engine doesn't make this alright.

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    [–] 51 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    I’ve been an Apple customer for 35 years. Had an Apple account as long as Apple has had such things. A few years ago (specifically, when Apple started retiring 32-bit apps from the App Store) I saw where Apple was going and created a dedicated account for my Apple ID that’s separate from the one I use for my contact for Apple services.

    If Apple locked me out of my account today, I’d lose access to 14 years of app purchases on that account. That’s about it? And at some point I started using an alternative ID for some of my purchases, so I’d only lose access to some of them. And of course, I now keep copies of everything backed up, since they could vanish from Apple’s servers at any time.

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    [–] 50 points 8 months ago*

    "I wouldn't like to be caught without a second backup." -- Miles Edward O'Brian, Chief of Operations, Deep Space Nine. ("The O'Brian Principle").

    "" -- Every free software advocate who has been on about this during the entire past 20 years and up to twice that, warning us about these kind of things.

    Either the user controls the...

    or, OP article story.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Imagine having all your important data in just one place.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago

    Part of me is glad the liabilities of trusting these companies with the history of your life are validated. If you don't control access, you don't own it.

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    [–] 19 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    If you do store your data, like me, in iCloud and Apple Photos then you should still take a backup.

    The easiest way to do this to request a data export of all your Apple data. It’s then prepared into zip files you can download onto a local storage device.

    I do it about once a year, which for me is a reasonable balance between risk and impact.

    Here’s a guide: https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/get-a-copy-of-your-apple-account-data/

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    [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    I’m not blaming the guy, but he seems smart enough that he should have known better. Data isn’t secure if it’s in a single location, he gave up control and the inevitable happened.

    I do not trust anyone with my data, the more important, the more sure I am that I have copies in several locations, including ones that are entirely in my control. My photos exist on multiple devices, cloud, my selfhosted immich server and my offline backup. Same with documents and other important data. My ripped movie collection is not backed up since I have the physical media.

    Do not give up control, the systems are all setup to give you the illusion of security, but then this kind of thing happens. Maybe I’m extra paranoid since I’ve been the victim of identity theft but I’m comfortable with my level of paranoia.

    Update- for the record, yes, Apple needs to make this right. I DO NOT blame the victim, my comment is here as advice, not to shit on the dude.

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  • [–] 40 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    i think it’s easy to make comments like this from the peanut gallery, with the benefit of hindsight and a self-selected group of users who will agree. but Apple should be legally obligated to address this. the solution can’t be “this idiot didn’t spend his nights and weekends doing 3-tier backups and high availability infrastructure diversity!”; that’s not scalable. if we just accept that companies can do this, they will continue to. but this has been on the front page of HackerNews. it’ll probably make it to Tim Apple’s desk eventually, so we’ll see what shakes out.

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    [–] 13 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Everyone always learns the hard way, just the same as I did - one copy is usually as good as no copies at all.

    For data you can't afford to lose, the 3-2-1 rule is king. Original, cold local, and remote.

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    [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I’m a little curious as to why they used a gift card and didn’t just pay with their own card. Seems a hassle to add the extra step.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe they were gifted the gift card - Or they default to purchasing their Apple stuff using gift cards only because they don't want their credit card data saved on Apples side. Who knows?

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    [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Having all my data stored with proprietary services is so nice, I don't have to worry about anything.

    /S

    But that's actually how the average idiot think.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    It would honestly suck if everything you have is tied to one account.

    Definitely a good lesson to has alternatives and back ups.

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