I don't know what a .webp file is but I don't like it. They're like a filthy prank version of the image/gif you're looking for. They make you jump through all these hoops to find the original versions of the files that you can actually do anything with.

Edit: honestly I assumed it had something to do with Google protecting themselves from image piracy shit

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[–] 5 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

The format actually has a lot of benefits - it supports transparency, animation, and compresses very efficiently. So it could theoretically replace GIF, JPG, and PNG in one fell swoop.

The downsides are that many apps don't currently support it and that it's owned by Google.

Personally I use webp for images that are not intended to share (e.g. banners and images on my blog), but stick to JPG/PNG for sending to other people.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    and that it’s owned by Google.

    I mean yes, but it's patent irrevocably royalty free (so long as you don't sue people claiming WebM/P as your own/partially your own work), so it's effectively owned by the public.

    Google hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated in this section) patent license to make, have made, use, offer to sell, sell, import, and otherwise transfer implementations of the WebM Specifications, where such license applies only to those patent claims, both currently owned by Google and acquired in the future, licensable by Google that are necessarily infringed by implementation of the WebM Specifications. If You or your agent or exclusive licensee institute or order or agree to the institution of patent litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that any implementation of the WebM Specifications constitutes direct or contributory patent infringement, or inducement of patent infringement, then any rights granted to You under the License for the WebM Specifications shall terminate as of the date such litigation is filed. "WebM Specifications" means the specifications to the WebM codecs as embodied in the source code to the WebM codecs or any written description of such specifications, in either case as distributed by Google.

    Source: https://www.webmproject.org/license/bitstream/

    (But Dark, that's WebM not WebP! -- they share the same license: https://groups.google.com/a/webmproject.org/g/webp-discuss/c/W4_j7Tlofv8)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

    You only dislike it because whatever bad app you're using to share them on doesn't support them.

    Stop being the gullible fool and start hating the apps not the file format.

    Edit: I also spot your .gif favouritism in there. .gif is an archaic and wasteful format, and asking for it is the same as looking at your car and whining that the fuel has no lead.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    The guy clearly isn't familiar with a lot of image formats and is trying to find out about them by asking, a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and in a special community called no stupid questions, no less.

    You don't need to call anyone a gullible fool and furthermore you've not actually helped to answer the question "what is webp", at all. What are you trying to achieve with this pointless aggression? If you wanted one less "gullible fool" you'd have to answer the question and educate, at best you've sown confusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    The fact that GIF is still a thing in 2023 is baffling

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    The fact that GIF is still a thing in 2023 is baffling

    As opposed to what widely supported animated image format?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    APNG, WebP, AVIF, WebM. Not sure about JpegXL

    GIF is size and ressource heavy

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Of all the formats you mentioned these are supported on popular platforms:

    • Twitter: gif
    • Discord: gif
    • Mastodon: gif
    • Reddit: gif, apng
    • Tumblr: gif, webp
    • Lemmy: gif, apng, webp

    That's why gifs are still a thing.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This is circular reasoning. They are wondering why gif is still a thing precisely because it's so supported while other formats that are better aren't and you are answering that it is because it's supported while other formats aren't.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    Because it's old and easy to handle. Yes it's wasteful if you convert whole videos, but really anything under 10s with low rez is easily handleable by pretty much anything. Gif was the first animated format and that's why it's big. Also early internet forum days were absolutely plastered with pixelart gifs that ran for minutes and barely swalloed 100kb. You can get a lot of bang for your buck if you save on pixels and framerate. But ofc a 60fps render of some 4k bluray clip will eat your memory. Contrast that with 16×32 px gif that runs at 8fps.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You would like it if you had slow internet, or you hosted a website.

    My website turned 5MB images into 100KB images using webp. My website now loads instantly, saves you bandwidth, and me costs!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Wait really? Are they that much more efficient?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yep! Not least of all, GIF & JPEG are over 30 year old formats and WebP is about a decade old. So there's at least 20 years of advancement there

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Webp is a fairly standard if rather new image format, that are frequently used by websites due to their small file size. To further cut bandwidth costs and loading time, websites will often only include a tiny webp of an image until you click to expand or something like that, so that they don't have to serve a massive image if the user will only even see a thumbnail sized preview. However, this does break the "save image" button as if you try to download the thumbnail, say from google images.

    Completely separately, some scummy sites will make you sign up for an account or something to download a full size image, and the only advice I have here is that it is almost always faster to find another site with the image then jump though the hoops.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    It's just a new picture format that is arguably better than jpeg in many scenarios. It has been around for many years. Windows just refuses to do file associations correctly, so people hate it for no reason.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Webp is an image format.

    Jpg is ancient, and gif, holy shit gif is from stone age.

    I dunno, if you're playing a video, you probably want x264 or better these days, no? For music, we use some variant of mp4 or lossless at this point.

    Yet with pictures, for some reason we insist on the old shitty stuff.

    Using jpeg or gif is like using mp1 for music and VideoCD for video. Come on now.

    The only problem with webp is that there's quality loss if you convert an already compressed jpeg into webp with high compression rate, like some web sites do. That can suck, but I don't know how else to get people to use more modern formats. Otherwise we'd be using ancient formats into the 24th century.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Jpg is ancient

    Sure, but so is .zip, and that's still useful.

    IMO a better argument would be how and why webp improves on jpg (better compression, etc), not just "it's newer".

    I shouldn't need to say this, but here goes: "old" and "shitty" aren't actually synonyms.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The old shitty stuff was designed to compress images and stuff to be small enough to transfer on potato internet.

    Now the HTML size itself ends up larger than many of the images while they code in endless advertising and scripts.

    Old internet was better TBH.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    It's a image format with extremely good compression that's tiny doesn't look bad. As someone who had shitty internet for years I definitely welcome them but as usual with Googles inventions they push it on to everyone and let other browsers catch up.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    WebP is awesome (JPEG-XL is awesomer though). It compresses better than JPEG which was introduced 30(!) years ago. It's time for JPEG to go away.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I didn't know this either.

    "Google launched the WebP format as part of its mission to make loading times faster across the internet. WebP allows websites to display high-quality images — but with much smaller file sizes than traditional formats such as PNG and JPEG."

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Here's a Firefox extension that adds right-click context menu options to save the webp as PNG or JPEG:
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/save-webp-as-png-or-jpeg/
    and its GitHub page:
    https://github.com/jscher2000/Save-webP-as-extension

    Makes it a bit easier than downloading the webp and converting it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Why do so few apps (besides browsers) seem to support it? E.g. Win10 photo viewer and seemingly all my messaging apps

    The format itself sounds good, and I see it everywhere online, but is there some reason it's unsupported?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Works great in Ubuntu.

    My guess is Microsoft doesn't like it because Google came up with it. Ms has had some issues with recognizing open formats before. Could be you are using old versions of apps too.

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