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[–] 175 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This behaviour needs to die.

It’s not reasonable for companies to charge subscriptions to hardware that you own that require zero external connections.

The engine is not a connected component. There is zero reason it would ever be constrained by connected features.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Did you know that actually happens with jet engines for a long time now? Companies lease jet engines and they have licenses for a certain number of engines in different max outputs, they can even transfer between them like, one 100% engine got damaged so they they transfer the 100% license to an 80% engine while it is in maintenence (all numbers are made up but the idea is the same).

    But yeah, shit is fucked.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    That kind of makes sense in context, since for leasing it’s not their hardware and they’re probably doing accounting based on the amortized costs of using them

    But no I did not know that and it is pretty cool

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even the transmissions in school buses have worked this way for more than two decades now. The Allison 2500-series is built with 6 gears (plus one reverse) but usually 6th gear is disabled in the software as users buy the 5-gear variant. The 6-gear variant is more expensive and 5-gear buyers can upgrade to that down the road if they want to - or you can crack it with widely-available software, something that many people in the skoolie community take advantage of.

    At least 6th gear isn't a subscription service ... yet.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Considering that the purpose of that 6th gear would be to lower the fuel consumption, that means we have a bunch of buses running around burning more fuel and polluting more all in the name of more profits.

    At least school buses spend a lot of time driving around at relatively low speeds so the lack of the extra gear probably has little real-world effect for most of the time, but still...

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  • we have a bunch of buses running around burning more fuel and polluting more

    An even worse factor is that EPA regulations governing diesel engine emissions specify allowed emissions in terms of horsepower-miles, which means that more powerful engines are allowed to emit more pollutants per mile. This has led to school buses becoming over-engined compared to what they used to be a few decades ago (in the '90s bus engines in the neighborhood of 200 hp were typical, now 350 hp is normal). This is good for lead-footed bus drivers and the people behind the buses (I guess), but not so good for the air. And of course EPA diesel regulations specify nothing about greenhouse gas emissions.

    At least school buses have the intrinsic efficiencies of mass-transportation behind them. If parents were driving all these kids to school instead, the net emissions would be vastly worse. Of course most of these kids could walk or bicycle instead ...

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You forgot this little point.

    You own a non-exclusive, intransferable licence to use and operate said car.

    Yes, you paid for it. But it's not really yours. You own its body. Someone else still owns its spirit. And they want a rent for you to be able to touch the spirit.

    Why would they do that?

    Obviously, becaude that shit flies. Why not do it? Money is money. And companies exist for it. Fuck morality. Fuck common sense. They only care about the little green lines.

    Customer satisfaction?

    Not even an afterthought.

    In a sane world, everyone would think like you. I do, for one.

    The problem is everyone else who doesn't. They'll put up with it, accept the thinly-veiled excuses, and the company will see "wow, we can do that now? Gee, these people are stoopid. Let's see how far we can take it.

    Honestly, I see where they're coming from. Not that I support it. But it is a rational decision on their part.

    In a sane world, the smart employee who came up with this would be fired promptly, because if the company were to carry this shit out, they'd get so much bad press it'd take over a decade to recover.

    But alas, we don't live in a sane world and clearly enough consumers are either idiots or ignorant for this shit to fly.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I hate it so much. It's absolutely crazy how companies can be so anti consumer and get away with it because they market it well. Still can't have a decent group chat if someone's on an Apple device. That new car tracks you and sells the info, now you need to pay to unlock it's full potential. The new os is always online and shares your info non-stop, it'll continue to push it's privacy invading AI until you give up. You don't actually own that game you bought, it's a license and we can revoke it because fuck you.

    I'm so fucking tired of being the weirdo because I stand by my morals and won't let them get away with fucking me over.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So I’m carrying around extra weight I don’t need if I don’t want the extra horse power?

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    [–] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So a software hack could unleash the extra power?

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This has been true for decades with VW and other cars… I had my 2000 Jetta chipped and got all kinds of HP and torque. Some dude just plugged in a laptop, beep boop, vroom vroom. $600 please.

    This just seems like VW cutting out those middlemen.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    That's tuning, and that's different. There's tradeoffs with tuning besides the obvious more wear.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In many cases there’s no extra wear. I paid $800 for a Ford ecu update that improves engine output but also retains any warranty.

    I bet this has more to do with emissions.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In many cases there’s no extra wear

    You can't change physics. More HP = more torque = more wear on the whole drive train. Also more boost = more stress on the turbo = it will fail sooner.

    Also, back then, cars with the higher specced variant of the "same" engine almost always had mechanical upgrades compared to the lower specced engine: usually bigger brakes, a stronger clutch, and various other drive train components.

    So while in many cases you could chip your car without much immediate harm, you were definitely cutting into various safety margins determined by automotive engineers who know much better than you and me.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Nah, some came with a little controller and you could change settings on the fly. The immediate benefit is better fuel economy on almost any mode. All it does is mess with the ecu within its limits. Doesn’t affect warranty and doesn’t cause any more wear.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You probably made 10 times the EPA limit of NOx emissions though.

    Funny enough, VW also got in a TON of trouble over (factory configuration) diesel cars cheating emissions testing.

    I dont know if yours was a diesel, but those especially are known for being capable of remarkable power and fuel economy at the same time... IF you don't care about emissions!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It still passed emission tests. The 1.8T engine (also common in Audis) was super tunable.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    JFC, what on earth am I going to do if I need to buy a car in 20 years?

    Wait, no, that doesn't make sense either. What about the used car market? This is untenable. Hacks must emerge.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What about the used car market?

    "Please purchase a public road pass for multiplayer access"

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They already do this, it's called tolls

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    For a lot of this type of stuff, the "lifetime subscription" is applies to the owner, not the vehicle. So when the vehicle is resold, the subscription doesn't transfer and the new owner has to buy it again (or do without). At least Volkswagon claims that this will go with the vehicle unlike companies like Tesla, but we'll see.

    Eventually, the manufacturer will stop supporting subscriptions on older cars. This could either because the money they bring in isn't worth the cost of continuing to support a dwindling number of older cars, some technical limitation, or an intentional decision to cut off older cars with the hope it will push people to buy a new car.

    Considering cars are expected to last 15-20 years, I'm guessing that these vehicles will not age well.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago

    John Deere? Is that you?

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  • [+] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I eagerly await cars that require subscriptions for air conditioning, sound system access, etc.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Then again, it's german corporate software...there should be a hack for that in no time 🤡

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Oh shit the DLC virus has spread

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    What does Netflix have to do with it? They still kill your favorite shows, and overcharge with ads. The first two words were not necessary in this headline.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In France, VW cars are usually bought by our local rednecks. I would be curious to know who buys those cars in other countries.

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