I hopped from arch (2010-2019) to Nixos (2019-2023). I had my issues with it but being a functional programmer, I really liked the declarative style of configuring your OS. That was until last week. I decided to try out void Linux (musl). I'm happy with it so far.

Why did I switch?

  1. Nix is extremely slow and data intensive (compared to xbps). I mean sometimes 100-1000x or more. I know it is not a fair comparison because nix is doing much more. Even for small tweaks or dependency / toolchain update it'll download/rebuild all packages. This would mean 3-10GB (or more) download on Nixos for something that is a few KB or MB on xbps.

  2. Everything is noticeably slower. My system used way more CPU and Ram even during idle. CPU was at 1-3% during idle and my battery life was 2 to 3.5h. Xfce idle ram usage was 1.5 GB on Nixos. On Void it's around 0.5GB. I easily get 5-7h of battery life for my normal usage. It is 10h-12h if I am reading an ebook.

Nix disables a lot of compiler optimisations apparently for reproducibility. Maybe this is the reason?

  1. Just a lot of random bugs. Firefox would sometimes leak memory and hang. I have only 8 GB of ram. WiFi reconnecting all the time randomly. No such issues so far with void.

  2. Of course the abstractions and the language have a learning curve. It's harder for a beginner to package or do something which is not already exposed as an option. (This wasn't a big issue for me most of the time.)

For now, I'll enjoy the speed and simplicity of void. It has less packages compared to nix but I have flatpak if needed. So far, I had to install only Android studio with it.

My verdict is to use Nixos for servers and shared dev environments. For desktop it's probably not suitable for most.

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[–] 15 points 3 years ago (1 child)

That is so the opposite experience for me. Every other distro for me just ends up weird after using it too long and I get the symptoms you mentioned. Nixos always stays perfectly clean for me like I never touched it. My hardware (long story) does change my experience a little though.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 3 years ago*

    Yeah there's a lot of state accumulation especially in home folder which I clear manually from time to time.

    In Nixos you can configure the impermanence module to clear unwanted state on your system and make it a "fresh install" on every reboot.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

    edit: I do feel norawibb's point, the slippery mutability of Void is something I am a lot less comfortable with than I used to be. Apparently Guix has spoiled me.

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    [–] 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    In my experience, doing small changes to your nix config when using nix flakes seems to be faster. For me it only rebuilds everything when I run nix flake update before running sudo nixos-rebuild switch so it seems faster because it only does the thing that I changed instead of updating everything.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah. Most small changes will not rebuild everything. It's just the core dependency updates that are most expensive. Like say openssl got a minor update. Now every package that depends on it needs to be rebuilt and rehashed because of the way nix store works.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Does Nix have Guix-style grafts? I know that in theory that is how Guix lessens the minor-update-to-core dependency problem. But I only use Guix for dev environments so I don’t know how well it works in practice.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    How the hell many people installs Void without problems. I tried two times and I always had wierds behaviours that makes me going back to arch.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Was it recent? I remember doing the same some years ago 😆

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    [–] 10 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    You might be interested in trying Gentoo, which is what I use. The package manager is definitely not fast, but it is very powerful. You get a lot of NixOS-like powers, but it integrates seamlessly into the unix eco-system without NixOS' overhead or its unorthodox approach that causes trouble sometimes. It also has first class support for compiler optimizations and global management of compile flags for packages.

    So yeah, updates will not be fast at all, but the rest I think you'll enjoy.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    fwiw I really like nixOS. I like its ambitious approach. But I think it's unorthodox approach is bound to cause issues. Most software has FHS and a typical Linux system in mind, and while nix solves those problems for most of them, there will always be something weird there.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    I also haven't noticed a significant performance hit from using nixos on desktop coming from arch a few months ago. Nix definitely does a lot of stuff and that can chew through bandwidth at times, but overall I think the time saved from not compiling heaps of aur packages has outweighed the time lost to nix updating and maintaining the overall state of my system on every update.

    I tend to run relatively lightweight systems these days and haven't really noticed sluggishness compared to an equivalent system on arch. My desktop environment has been sway on both for a while and this may account for my experience of a leaner and more reliable system on both, but it's hard to say.

    I'd definitely want to investigate bandwidth optimization strats for nix if I was heavily constrained in that area, or possibly move to something where cpu and bandwidth constraints were given priority over reproducibility. For my current setup nixos has been a game changer on both desktop and server, but I only really have arch as a direct comparison.

    ( For context, my current desktop nixos systems are a 9 year old low-end cintiq, a 2017 dell optiplex 7050 minipc, and a steam deck. They all have ssds and at least 12gb of ram. All feel super snappy for everyday work with a web browser and a heap of open terminals and workspaces. )

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    [–] 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Really? In my experience NixOS is faster than Arch.

    edit: this isn't arguing against him, i've heard lots of cases where Arch is indeed faster. For me though, I feel like nixos is faster for my use cases.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You mean in terms of how fast it feels? I have never heard anyone saying this before. Can you share some details and perhaps some tips to improve performance on Nixos?

    What hardware do you run Nixos on and do you modify and rebuild a lot of packages on nixpkgs?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Wat? I wasn't attacking him, I was telling my experience.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    He is assuming that you are trying to win an argument and seeing your strategic approach to doing so. It is kind of implied that you want to win the argument without having to defend your position or even be right.

    I did not get that from your comment. It felt like you were more genuinely surprised to see others relating experiences you have not had. I have left very similar comments myself.

    It sucks that the Internet makes us instantly distrust each other.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I think the verdict is NixOS is perfect for desktops, since you probably don't care about data or compiling everything or slight inefficiencies

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That really depends on what kind of computer you are using and how fast your internet connection is. Also a desktop computer should be (for most people) as little maintanance work as possible and having long update/install times really stands in the way of that.

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    [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Very reasonable and insightful write up. Thanks for sharing!

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Could you also share the differences you perceived between Arch and Void ?

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    [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    data intensive

    I take it you weren't using flakes?

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