This is apparently in Columbus, Ohio -- a pretty major city by any stretch of the imagination.

And yet there are people who rail (geddit?) against 15-minute cities and efficient public transit that ensures no one ever gets stuck like this.

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[–] 42 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Columbus is special. It's a 15 minute city by car outside rush hour. But gods help you if you don't have a car. The bus comes like every hour.

I spent years there trying to convince people that it needs light rail

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Looks like you had a really good light rail system up until the late '70s?

    https://allcolumbusdata.com/rail-transportation-history/

    I'm assuming Judge Doom got involved at that point and paved over the lines

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    That looks more like they had a role in the national rail lines and trams, before proposing a really good light rail system and continuously changing their minds to oppose it. Which is exactly what I'd always heard. "Rail is too expensive and difficult and it doesn't work, we've tried and it keeps getting proposed and shot down"

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Cars (like any technology under capitalism) are meant to keep people dependent, desperate, and exploitable.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is naiive and dumb (like a lot of posts in this community).

    If you drove to the grocery store, then you almost certainly have more groceries than are going to be comfortable to carry back by hand.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I mean if you can walk to the grocery store in a reasonable amount of time you'll be able to divide those groceries over multiple visits and not have to deal with this.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Not to mention, cargo bikes are a thing.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Not just cargo bikes. I've got a folding bike (small apartment) with two panniers and a backpack. Sure it's not car level but its pretty good for grabbing groceries.

    And it should be noted, Columbus has a pretty bad food desert problem.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I live next door to a grocery store, and a 2m walk from multiple green grocers. I live the walking grocery lifestyle.

    But there are still situations where I have to drive to the store to pick up a large amount of supplies. Like say, when hosting a birthday party, or wanting to pick supplies up at a grocery store that doesn't have exorbitant prices.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    There's a big difference between what's "comfortable to carry back by hand" and "what's feasible to carry to a bus stop 100 metres outside the store, and then 400 metres from where the bus drops you off to your home". That's if we're assuming a situation where you did drive to the store, planning to drive home, but an emergency means you can't drive the return leg.

    But also, if you do have good public transport, it becomes much easier to adjust your schedule to more frequent, smaller shops, where it's not just feasible but easy to carry the groceries. Or in a good city for cycling, to drop the groceries in your paniers, basket, or even full-on cargo bike.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nobody in NYC can buy groceries because they don't have cars. Cars are the only way to get groceries home.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We use rolly carts in NYC and make more frequent trips. It's also not uncommon to stop by Trader Joe's or the supermarket on your way home. The best carts are those with the weird tri-wheels that go up and down stairs.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Love the rolly carts. Lil old ladies pushing them home all over the outer boroughs. They're actually what I was thinking about when I made the above sarcastic reply. I think most supermarkets sell them for like $10 or something.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago*

    Hell, just needing a jump start becsuse your battery died can be a PITA if you have to rely on strangers.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Out of interest did you see the rest of the story? Looks like OOP deleted the tweet.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You can call literally call anyone you know we all have cars here. If you don't know anyone at all you can taxi or Uber. In smaller towns you may even be able to call the police non emergency number and get help from a community officer type employee who has a car and does minor non police related stuff. Many many many things would have to fail before you need to ask a stranger and even in that case you would be hard pressed to not find help within the first couple people you ask.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

    My point is that this entire situation is a massive systemic failure. You shouldn't have to find yourself in a situation where your car breaking down means you're stuck at the grocery store with no way to get home unless someone deigns to come and get you -- hell, you shouldn't even need to drive to get groceries, any well-designed city would have multiple grocery stores within a few blocks regardless of where you live, and a dense public transit network and/or cycling infrastructure so you can get to the ones that are farther away.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Living in London all my life, we grew up in a car-less household and my dad would do nearly all of the food shopping for our family of 6 himself (7 for a while when my uncle lived with us while he was studying), carrying it all home on the bus. I am still car-free and can get my shopping home using the bus or my bike on the way home from work. If you can't do that in your city, then that's the fault of your city's planners. It's a failure of providing good public transport.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Your car will not break down, if you just walk to the grocery store.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    That's not an option for people who live in good food deserts.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Just fyi you got autocorrected (I swear, autocorrect feels like it's more and more often these days changing from one correct word to a different word that's grammatically correct but not what I wanted to say) from "food" to "good".

    Anyway, django's point was the same as OP's: that car-dependent urban design is bad for people. Food deserts are a feature of car dependency. They're not a necessary feature (as in, it is possible to have car-dependent cities that don't also have food desert), but by definition a 15-minute city, the thing this Community exists to advocate for, cannot be a food desert. A well-planned city makes it possible to get to a grocery store within a 15 minute walk or ride.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm confused whats the alternative here? Even in Japan you'd hire a taxi if you have a full load of groceries you're not taking the train.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    aT lEaST iT'S lEsS CrOwDeD tHaN PuBlIC TrAnSpORT

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