submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
 

As I can see, Docker is not available in RHEL10 (at least for now). Yes, I know, podman is an option, I already converted all of my services, but for my nextcloud setup.. I find it impossible to make it full functional in podman... Edit: Okay I succeeded, thank you for your messages, I know how to manually install rpms, the main point was to discuss that Docker is not available in RHEL.

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[–] 27 points 1 year ago

So containers have been standardized for a while now (OCI), and even if you install "docker" it's actually just installing containerd with docker-cli. For years kubernetes is not even supporting docker-shim anymore. So there should be no issue. What is even the problem you are running into?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Just use podman, easy migration from docker.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, until it's NOT. Running RHEL 9 with docker engine slapped in there because the BitBucket self-hosted containerized runner is incompatible with podman.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Last time I tried to migrate to Podman the first container I tried was incompatible, so was the second, and the third. Turns out at the time Linuxservers.io stuff wasn't rootless podman compatible. There have since been some improvement according to my most recent Google search just now, so maybe a retry is coming up.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can run it rootful, then it behaves just like Docker.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's definitely not an easy migration in my experience, because they run rootless and they cannot auto-start without making a system service for every stack, there is a lot that needs to change in a compose stack, especially with file permissions for shared mounts.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    podman is not a replacement to docker.

    I fucking hate how the podman docs say that(because ofc they do).

    it's like saying c++ is a replacement to c. can they work, sure. are they the same? you try importing libs into c the same way you do in c++ and find out. yeah, they're both c under the covers but they are not the same.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, I already moved everything and works perfectly.. except... nextcloud..

    I am trying to setup a new one but too much debugging the last 10 hours

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, I see that RHEL has officially dropped docker support. You can try installing from binaries, but you are definitely striking out on your own here.

    I don't mean to rake you over the coals here, but what is the reasoning for sticking with RHEL for this project? If you are attempting to use it in an paid enterprise situation, you are better off sticking with items on the compatibility list. If you run into issues with other supported services, the first piece of advice will be to remove docker. Since your are not getting support for docker, I would advise running it from a supported OS.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well, as I am running my personal server for years, I wanted to test/understand more enterprise solutions except Debian/Ubuntu and especially solutions with SELinux. In the end if I face major issues I will setup Nextcloud to a VM. Thank you for your response

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    If you've been running these "for years", you certainly should know the pitfalls of switching to a brand new distro. Like the exact situation you're asking about.

    You should also know that packages tagged as compatible with another version of any distro won't harm your current one to just install and find out if it works.

    As many other commenters are saying, we don't know what your problem is, or why you're here.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Reading the Docs, it seems like PodMan is the replacement for docker. You could try containerd/nerdctl, but podman is likely the best way for you. RHEL10 docs even say it supports the older docker config options

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    podman is not a drop-in for docker.

    they lie and anyone saying otherwise is lying too.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    BUT THATS NOT WHAT I LIKE TO UUUSSSEEEEE WAAAAHHHHHHHH 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What the fuck is your problem? :D

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/rhel/

    You should be able to add the repo and install the packages anyway. If it doesn't work, give a description of the behavior including errors or logs.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, I have already read that and it clearly says:

    To install Docker Engine, you need a maintained version of one of the following RHEL versions:
    
    RHEL 8
    RHEL 9
    
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I guess what they're saying is, even though it's "not supported" officially, you can still try and there's good chances it'll work anyway. If you need or prefer to stick to a supported configuration, it seems your options are either to switch to podman and figure out nextcloud, or switch away from RHEL.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Nextcloud is in EPEL 10. You'll get updates along with the rest of the OS.

    I have been using EPEL 9 Nextcloud for a good while and it's been a smooth experience.

    If you want specifically Docker, I would not choose an EL10 distro, really. I have been test driving AlmaLinux 10 and it's pretty nice, but I would look elsewhere.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    hasn't been available since like 8. right?

    IBM bought redhat, negotiations with docker bottomed out because docker wouldn't appease IBM execs, and IBM used their competitor podman. IBM yanked docker out of all packages almost overnight.

    yet another reason why I left redhat. any company that uses their power for the sake of using it makes running business on their platform hard, but that's kind of IBM's whole schtick.

    edit: why the downvotes? this is literally what happened. docker said they couldn't delivered rootless when IBM wanted it because they had other priorities. IBM said fuck you we're dropping support for podman. docker said ok, and now we have a podman still masquerading like a drop in replacement.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago

    I actually have a solution for your problem. Change distros:

    https://search.nixos.org/packages?channel=25.05&from=0&size=50&sort=relevance&type=packages&query=docker

    all kinds of docker versions and you don't have to do any manual steps

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just uninstall podman and install docker-ce. Official docker docs have steps even.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It is not available for RHEL 10.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    🤦

    So do like I said and visit the Docker official docs, setup the RHEL repos, and install it. Or, you can just install the ROM packages individually. OR you can wait a few weeks until the official packages show up which will ease the the same thing.

    Your choice.

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