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[–] 161 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I work in an education setting and in the last month, Google started preloading the contents of other sites directly on the search page. It is wreaking havoc when combined with our blocking tools because kids will do a Google search for something innocuous and the page will immediately get blocked because it tried to load a result from Reddit or coursehero or something else we have blocked.

It's incredibly frustrating.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    If you have to stick with google, you can use udm=14. https://tedium.co/2024/05/17/google-web-search-make-default/ You can set it as default search provider.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Google search has sucked for a couple years now. DuckDuckGo is better for everything except maps.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    the page will immediately get blocked because it tried to load a result from Reddit or coursehero or something

    Does that mean any search (AI insight notwithstanding) will get blocked if it includes a Reddit, Coursera or something on the blocklist result at all?

    Because if yes, that's much more than just asinine. It's basically blocking entire search topics due to the sheer fact that Reddit will appear on the furst page of Google a lot.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    That is exactly what is happening. They type in the search query on their Chromebook (for example, "why do dry erase markers float", the results page flashes for a second and then the "this page is blocked" screen comes up saying they were blocked from Reddit, et al. Without them clicking on any search results.

    And 2 kids can do the exact same search at the same time and get blocked for different sites or only one will get blocked.

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  • [–] 113 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I stopped using Google at the same time I closed my accounts with Facebook, instagram, Reddit and Amazon. Currently I'm using Ecosia which I think is German. I’m dumping all the US companies I can based on all the Trump crap. It is taking time and effort but I should be able to actually close the Google account soon and I replaced windows with Linux on all but one of my PCs.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Ecosia still uses American services though - they use Google, Bing, Yahoo and Wikipedia for search results.

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Yeah but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Among other things, they just recently announced that they're starting to build an alternative index with Qwant.

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    [–] 75 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    These numbers underline the current trend to choose European services instead of American ones, which followed the trend to deGoogle.

    [the chart shows stats for American Google, American Bing, Russian Yandex, American Yahoo!, American DuckDuckGo, and Other]

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Russian Yandex

    Exceptionally good at finding torrent sites and other piracy outlets, because they aren't working hand-in-glove with American broadcasters to censor and shadowban these links. Google, Bing, DDG, and the other American mainline search sites all focus on feeding end-users into a discrete set of Web2 mega-site sponsors. Yandex uses the older web crawlers and indexing tools, so it gives more honest (abet fuzzier and less reliable) results. And since nobody really gives a shit about Yandex, the efforts to game its algorithm have been comparatively minimal.

    Yandex also has the benefit of being relatively English-friendly, while other popular non-English search sites like Baidu, Qwant, and Naver don't cater too quite so freely.

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    [–] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I switched when the answers I got started to become bullshit. I’d google a simple question just to double check if it was correct, but it gave me something completely different. Something so out of the realm of possibility that I was baffled.

    I check the sources for the answer and they were not even related. After that I started paying more attention to how messed up google had become, and I had enough.

    Google scholar however is still something I need.. even though I dislike American corporations.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's kind of unreal that they took something that worked perfectly well for 25 years and then fucked it up entirely overnight, for no good reason.

    Stick in bike spokes meme.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They did that to drive up short term ad revenue and it worked, and joy was in their greedy little hearts. They also did figure out that poisoning search results drives away users, and that search is kinda the fastest gateway drug to their entire ecosystem.

    But they're stuck. Fixing search would lower their ad revenue, and stock holders would kill them for that.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    and the nature of their 1000s of experiments going at the same time isn't methodical at all. they don't actually know what iteration of google search was the best and most useful one. there's no going back to what worked because at no point did they ever know what worked. the modern shitty google search is the best version we will ever get to use again.

    google embedded them as a core piece of information infrastructure and then demolished themselves. now our information networks fundamentally do not work anymore

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Who knew if your product was mostly shit people would stop using it?

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    Sure, but this is a process that takes time; that said, he trend is downward and that will likely continue unless things improve.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    And if tech people are no longer recommending it, or actively recommending against it, it is possible to get people to start switching. This is largely how chrome became so popular in the first place, and that required getting people to change from the default option.

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    [–] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I went long enough without using Google (probably a year-ish) that, when I accidentally made a Google search a few days ago, it was a jarring experience.

    It felt wrong the same way other search engines did when I first deGoogled. It was kind of nice actually.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The irony is Gemini is really good (like significantly better than ChatGPT), and cheap for them (no GPUs needed), yet somehow they made it utterly unbearable in search.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Gemini is really good at confidently talking nonsense but other than that I don't really see where you get the idea that it is good. Mind you, that isn't much better with the other LLMs.

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I abandoned Google when they started throwing shopping links at the top of every search, even when searching for things that have no relevance to shopping, and they started artificially promoting scams and paid material above actual results.

    Google Search was best around 10-15 years ago when their only focus was providing the best results they could (remember when you could actually click the top result and you would be taken to the most applicable page instead of some unrelated ad or scam?). Now their focus is on providing the best product possible for their actual customers (paid advertisers) even when it means trashing their own product in the process.

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    [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    I’ve fully switched to ecosia. I much prefer their efforts, and they seem to fund decent projects unlike a lot of other carbon offset companies.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Google's been garbage for years now, I kind of miss Copernic Pro which is what I used before Google it searched all the search engines available and combined and resorted all the results.

    Google was perfect at launch but in recent years it's worse than Yahoo!.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I almost never use them now.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Google been degrading as time has gone on. The other search engines (like all of them) are getting or surpassing google in certain subjects. AI has really made them look like fools in all of this. Googles AI sucks for results and (while I dont like it) others are using chatgpt for search results.

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    [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I’m glad to contribute to that metric.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Been using Ecosia for up to a year now probably. I like it and I don't need anything else.

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