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[+] 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It becoming financially convenient was a result of decades of intentional policy. It's now snowballing once it got there

    It would have taken far longer to get here without government involvement if applications like space travel were the only reasons for earlier research and manufacturing

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  • [+] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It is worth noting that you can already beat meat on price with things like beans, lentils, chickpeas, etc. Plant-based meats specifically are just more expensive because they're building the economies of scale and putting some of their research costs into the price. Plant-based meats are also already cheaper than animal meats in some parts of the world

    But yes, once that becomes much prevalent, sales will likely increase substantially

    As a related note: this is also encouraging that a number of coffee chains are now dropping their non-dairy milk up charges after pressure from activists. Once they got Starbucks to do so, it's spread to tons of chains. Even the worst plant milks are way better across all environmental metrics compared to dairy (yes even water weighted by scarcity), so it's going to be good for the environment

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Same. I just wanna work towards requiring less of it and enjoying real plants that aren't masquerading as something else.

    Black bean burger patty? Let's go!

    Molded soy isolate thing engineered to seem like beef or shrimp or cheese or whatever? Gut rebellion.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I was just talking about that same comparison yesterday! There are some big business interests in keeping older industries going. Whether it's oil and gas, meat, or whatever. It takes a ton of political pressure over time to make change, but the truly biggest driver is cost. Once the alternative becomes cheaper, it will snowball.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's.. that's how change.. works?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The observation is that capitalism isn't any good at efficiently allocating resources

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm not sure how that's true since we wouldn't be here in the first place without capitalism. Its the only known system efficient enough to get this far, that we know of anyway.

    Nevertheless, going back to my original point.. Moving on to better technology only works once its feasible enough, no matter what the economic system is. Ideology doesn't negate the reality of resources.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    We need to be moving before technology becomes profitable. This is one of the major downsides of capitalism. We temper it somewhat with government investment and regulation, but buy-in-large, the profit motive is what drives practically all economic questions.

    We simply do not have time.

    We need to building more energy storage, like yesterday.

    It just hasn't made much financial sense to build it, because fossil fuels were cheap, now we're slowly getting started.

    If the profit motive wasn't the motive above all else, we could get a whole bunch more done in the fight on climate change.

    We can't wait for capitalism. It's just not fundamentally aligned with our preservation, it's aligned with profit motive.

    We're lucky it's becoming more profitable. But we're still massively reliant on fossil fuels. It's way, way, way, way not fast enough.

    And yes, capitalism is the problem. If governments weren't so afraid of being criticised for how they run something we'd bring back more state run organisations and just start building, even if it runs at a "loss".

    Or at the very, very least, we should be directly contracting private companies to build and maintain the infrastructure, but WE own it. Not them.

    Conclusion, capitalism isn't the only economic system we can imagine. We already temper it. We used to even temper it more than we do now (post-world war II in the anglosphere, as an example, until the neo-libs privatised practically everything).

    The neo-liberal experiment has been a colossal failure.

    Capitalism isn't the end of history.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    A recent study performed by actuaries, not environmental scientists, predicted a possible 50% global drop in GDP by 2070-2090. 50%! Scientists have been sounding the alarm for decades, but you know it’s bad when actuaries are doing the same thing. When the alternative is certain collapse, the alternatives become priceless. No matter what happens at this point, global society cannot exist in its current form in the future.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/we-dont-have-time/2025/02/28/50-gdp-collapse-ahead-actuaries-sound-the-alarm-whos-listening/

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Shame that AI and data centers are offsetting all that good.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    For the moment in the current AI boom, but not expected to in the long run. Just make the progress less fast. Still not ideal, of course, but don't get into the mindset that we can't make any progress at all when we still can and are doing so

    From the article

    Ember’s report shows that clean generation growth is set to outpace faster-rising demand in the coming years, marking the start of a permanent decline in fossil fuel generation. The current expected growth in clean generation would be sufficient to meet a demand increase of 4.1% per year to 2030, which is above expectations for demand growth.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Not Merica, drill baby drill. Roll dem coal

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Just in time for Trump to try and reignite coal! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Bad time to be trying to sell a lot of power I guess

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Good! More oil for us to burn! /S

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