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'We won't be dragged into this' — Hungary opposes $22 billion EU aid package for Ukraine (kyivindependent.com)
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Summary

Hungary’s Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto rejected an EU proposal to send Ukraine an additional €20 billion ($22 billion) in aid, stating Hungary will not fund arms shipments.

He instead claimed to be advocating for peace negotiations, aligning with Donald Trump’s push for a swift settlement.

Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban has repeatedly obstructed EU sanctions on Russia and military support for Ukraine.

While the EU extended sanctions unanimously, concerns are growing over Budapest’s opposition to unified action on Ukraine as European leaders push for stronger support.

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[–] 137 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just kick them out of the union then, you want to stand with Russia, fuck off and see how much they're willing to support you while their economy tanks

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe a temporary suspension, give them the option to learn their lesson and rejoin.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    they can follow the onboarding process again. After Ukraine clears.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It just feels like the opposite time to intentionally weaken the EU and divide it up.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is it even technically possible in the current state of EU to kick and suspend membership of one of the country?

    I think they need to all vote in favour for it to work, so I doubt they would vote for their own ban?

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Article 7 exists. It allows to suspend voting rights of a member state, if all other members vote for that. So far the EU is hesitant to use it, but as I see it, it is about damn time.

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  • [+] -77 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Nothing will improve EU centrism and unity in Europe more than starting bullying member states into doing exactly what Brussels says, right? 😅

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    • [–] 111 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hungary is not a net contributor to the EU, you ain't funding shit you're being funded.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You should lose your vote of you don't contribute, gives incentive to actually build your economy...

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Relax, satan; that would be coercion. Hungary is very aware they can and have been penalized by acting like this by having funds whitheld.

    We can argue it is coercion as well and I will agree but it was on the damn treaty when they signed to join the EU. Don't want it? Uphold the treaty.

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    • [+] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This. Every trick Orbán used is straight from Putin. After he fully seized power in Russia, authoritarians the world over flocked to Moscow to learn directly from the master. Then they went home and got to work. The Danube Institute, the Hungarian equivalent of the Heritage Foundation, hosted a large neoreactionary conference where they laid out the case that democracy doesn't work. That democracy is a well-meaning but fundamentally flawed system of government. The reason they think it's flawed? Because it requires giving all people equality under the law. Women equal to men, gay equal to straight, non-Christian equal to Christian, Non-white equal to White, and this is really the only one that matters, poor equal to wealthy. The obscenely wealthy cannot comprehend a world in which the voice of those with less wealth is equal to their voice. By virtue of their enormous fortunes, taken through exploitation and inherited from their ancestors, they feel that they and they alone should have the right to govern. That they are inherently superior because they were fortunate enough to be born into lives of wealth, connection, and privilege.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Where can I read more about that neoreactionary conference?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/fourth-geopolitical-summit-democracy-2024-whose-democracy-what-rules-david-frost-danube-institute/

    And, really, it's just Ayn Randian Objectivism, mixed with Christian Dominionism, mixed with neofuedalism, dreamed up by a dude who spent years after the Dotcom Bubble popped, doing nothing but staying in his apartment after accepting a buyout of several hundred dollars reading the works of long dead white people.

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    • [–] 45 points 1 year ago

    FTFY 'We won't be dragged into this' — famously pro-Russia Hungary opposes $22 billion EU aid package for Ukraine

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    Traitors and Putin puppets. Disgusting.

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    Time to swap Hungary for Canada ..

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago*

    "We won't be dragged into this without Russians approval" that's the real headline

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We won't be dragged into this? Well they don't get to make that choice. Russia already dragged everyone into this when they invaded a sovereign nation. You can't really claim indifference to an invasion, that's the same as condoning it. I agree with a lot of other people on this thread. Suspend them until they prove their moral compass aligns with ours. Now they're just working to hinder our democracy

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The moral compass of condemning the Israeli genocide and taking swift sanctions against them? Oh wait…

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh I'm sorry. Point to my reply where I defended Israel

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Suspend them until they prove their moral compass aligns with ours.

    You may not personally defend Israel, and good for you if you don't defend them; however most countries in the EU are complicit in the genocide Israel has been committing and none of them have decided to actually sanction Israel for the numerous war crimes it has been committing for decades. So I ask you again, what is this EU moral compass you are talking about?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Mate, it's a post about Hungary, again, being an obstruction that benefits an invading nation.

    If no-one were allowed to criticise another country's leader for their actions because of their own countries appalling handling of Israel, then you wouldn't have many who'd be allowed to speak up.

    Not many countries have taken their kiddie gloves off when it comes to Israel's genocide. However some of those countries have other values that are closer to my own than others.

    Since you're already hellbent on moving the goalpost, how about we flip this back to you. What country, state or collective has a better moral compass and has handled Israel's atrocities well?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, you are the one moving the goalpost.

    If no-one were allowed to criticise another country’s leader for their actions because of their own countries appalling handling of Israel, then you wouldn’t have many who’d be allowed to speak up.

    That’s not what this is about. This is about pretending to have some higher moral values while at the same time providing support to a country committing a genocide.

    Spain, Norway, Ireland, South Africa, Brazil come to mind. I’m sure there are others.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lucky for me that I'm Norwegian then. And guess what, mine and a lot of Norwegians moral compass align with the EUs, in general. Especially now with the current regime in the US who clearly see us as adversaries or even enemies, these are our closest moral and ethical allies. At least when it comes to the Russian invasion, which again, this post is about!

    Of course I'm arguing from a perceived moral high ground. Why on earth would I argue from a position where I meant I was in the wrong?

    And just to be absolutely clear. There's not a single Nation I can think of who's handled Israel's despicable actions in the right way. We can only hope the people in charge will see consequences for their actions. That doesn't mean people of those nations aren't entitled to take an ethical and moral standpoint.

    I'm going to stop replying now. Have a good day

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Norway is a beautiful country I’ve had the chance to visit some fjords.

    As for the actual conversation, it started with the EU moral compass, not individual people. European leaders can’t keep pretending to have the moral high ground and then just be an accomplice of genocide or remain silent about it. That’s called hypocrisy and the world is noticing.

    Of course, people of those countries are entitled to their own opinions and to take moral and ethical standpoints; but before lecturing other countries they may want to take a look at their own country.

    Have a good day.

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    • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Just time to turn off the money to the corrupt crook that is Orban. Gtfo of EU until you get your shit together

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    The Hungarians are aware that their government is making them poorer just so that they can drink more Russian cum.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Keep whining Orban, your days are numbered! You will lose the next election and you will face justice you fucking ugly fat cunt.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I mean, Hungary is barely a European country. It's just a fascist Russia-sucker in cosplay. This is news?

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    A fool to not see they're already in it.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I oppose Hungary

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    We all know they won't be dragged in and can't be dragged in because they're already fully involved, just on the wrong side

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