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Zelensky-Starmer latest: Starmer unveils steps to help Ukraine after summit with European leaders (www.bbc.co.uk)
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Following a meeting with world leaders, Starmer has announced a £1.6bn financing package to Ukraine, the creation of a "Coalition of the Willing", and that a deal to be presented to Trump. He has emphasised:

  • The importance of the US's participation in the coalition
  • His trust in the US as an ongoing ally to Europe
  • His confidence that a deal will be reached

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[–] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thank you for posting these and yes absolutely, this is the overarching four-point strategy that he outlined.

    I was summarising the points specifically with respect his comments on Trump and the USA's involvement, perhaps I should have made that clear.

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    • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean this doesn't sound like any forward movement at all, this sounds like nothing. This sounds like a plan predicated on Trump becoming a completely different person overnight, and brokering a deal with Russia that can be trusted, laugh with me

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think there is a lot more to it than what is being presented. We're getting the "carrot" version of things, there will almost certainly be a "stick" that will be presented, and Starmer will outline the grave consequences of the USA not cooperating.

    It was interesting that Starmer seemed so confident that Trump would agree. This means either he's hugely bluffing to put on a show, or the nice guy show to Trump is over and they can get him to bend by force.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    with so many foreign troops fighting for russia in ukraine, there is zero justification for european troops not to be fighting with the ukranians as well. zero. every day that uk & france aren't mobilzing and deploying troops to ukraine is just more european stalling until complete abandonment

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That would be risky. Could easily trigger a world war.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    sure could, but if russia is using foreign troops to fight and kill european ukranians it already is by definition

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well yes but it's a bit different if you have north Koreans Vs Ukrainians or a world war where Russia moves into Poland and China into Taiwan.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Russia isn't in any way a threat to expand their invasion. If they could simultaneously invade Poland they wouldn't be struggling so hard to reclaim their own territory, let alone conquer Ukraine. China is the one powerful and expansive enough to worry about.

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    • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    i hope this is just one step in a strategy beginning by telling Trump he is not one in the "Coalition Of The Willing" anymore.
    Things may escalate rapidly after staying stating Europe's position.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I suspect it will be, "here is our final offer, get on board or face the consequences". I do wonder whether Europe and Canada are going to try and apply any sort of leverage over Trump or whether they have already accepted that they will have to go it alone. If the latter happens I predict a full on meltdown from Trump that will make his Zelenskyy interaction look sane.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I think of you offer anything that even smells like an ultimatum, Trump’s going to respond with tariffs. For some reason, he’s behaving like a rabid dog backed into a corner, and he’s lashing out at any and every perceived threat.

    Rather, I think Europe should intend on proceeding without the US. Trump said it himself, “We’re out.” Take him at his word, and act accordingly. He will either see the light, or he won’t.

    European countries can attempt to continue relations with the US, separate from Ukraine, unless Trump wants to make it about Ukraine. If he does, it should be explained that Ukraine’s not on the table, the US has stated their position (they’re out), and Europe is respecting that.

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