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[–] 132 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

"Small price to pay for the freedom to travel"

-An actual thing that's been said to me before when I brought up other environmental issues

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  • [–] 84 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nothing says "freedom" like a tool that costs tens of thousands to buy and thousands every year to maintain and use.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    “Small price to pay for the freedom to travel”

    Well, they pay a small price for their freedom to travel. It's everybody else that has to suffer the externalities of their choices.

    Let's tax antisocial behavior, so that these externalities are internalized. Carbon tax, vehicle weight per passenger tax, vehicle volume per passenger tax, etc.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    'Be careful now, you're starting to sound like a communist.' they say.

    Seriously though, you're right, we should do all that. Switching over to EVs won't solve very many problems. Everywhere needs to have fewer vehicles in the road and that's public transit.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Fuck them.

    They also call me a communist now because I think a 40 hour work week should put a basic roof (efficiency on your own or maybe a basic 2br with a roomie) over your head no matter what you're doing.

    Turns out the "Red Scare™" will always return whenever capitalism starts fraying at the seams to keep people from exploring even the slightest reforms.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's not even a freedom to travel... It's a requirement. You want to live in area where you don't need need a car? Only a few cities in America make that reality possible. If you want/have to live/work anywhere else... You need a car. That's not freedom. Also those places where you don't need a car are very expensive to live in.

    Its not a lack of rails and light rails... It's a lack of local transportation that's fast and reliable.

    People actually use the bus system in Ann Arbor because it runs on time, frequently and is clean. I'm all for a transportation haven but a lot of cities can't even walk and are trying to run.

    Detroits Q Line is a good example of running before you can walk. The bus system is god awful. Late. No shows. Generally unreliable. Then they just slapped a thing on top of it that's probably even less reliable...

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  • [–] 77 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Can we just get some real public transportation options in the USA? I've visited Washington D.C., Boston, and New York City recently, and I'm in love with the subway (etc). Where I live would still require a car, but afaik, none of the major cities around me have anything more than a lackluster bus system.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Best we can do is another lane on the highway. That should fix the problem!

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ok, hear me out: What if we were to dig a system of narrow tunnels under the city, and then let people drive through them. Of course, cars would need to be on some form of automated tracks to make it safe. Then you could link up multiple cars and make long lines of cars following the tracks to the same destination.

    It's a brand new concept, I know, but modern problems require modern solutions. Maybe we can sell hats and flamethrowers to generate support.

    (/s in case it wasn't obvious)

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  • [–] 61 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    It's interesting to me that as soon as EV's are finally seriously becoming a thing, we are told that tire dust, rather than ICE emissions, are really the worst thing possible for the planet (and it's somehow implied that ICE vehicles don't have tires). When somebody points out that ICE vehicles do, in fact, have tires too, EV's are STILL worse because EV's are heavier than the equivalent ICE cars. Strangely, the fact that for years, people have been driving ludicrously overweight vehicles (the Ford F150, weighing in at 4,070 to 5,757 lbs, is the top selling passenger vehicle in the US, and last I checked, it had tires) was never an issue.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's almost like people are incapable of comprehending that all types of pollution are important, not just one or the other. Exhaust emissions are bad. Tyre pollution is also bad. Reducing one is a good step. Reducing both would be even better.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Many things can be bad at once, and I’m sure tire particles really are bad. It is just weird that in the 137 years ICE cars have been manufactured (again, with tires the whole time), the fact that the tire particles were way worse than all the other things cars spew out went completely unnoticed.

    I’m only being partially facetious. Yes I understand cars are now much cleaner than they used to be, so probably in the past tailpipe emissions were the dominant problem. But an awful lot of the articles talking about this are pushing the idea that EVs are WORSE for the environment than ICE cars (so let’s just keep driving our F150s!), which is absolutely untrue. Better is still better, even if it isn’t perfect.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It wasn't the plastic straws after all?
    I'm shocked, shocked.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Plastic straws are still very harmful for many sea animals and are apart from that entirely unnecessary (unlike tires).

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    As I read on masto, we should replace the tires with steel to stop the plastic pollution.

    Of course to protect the road that would also have to be steel. And we'd need to link all the vehicles together to make best use of the limited steel road surface.

    (It's trains)

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Steel dust quickly turns to iron oxide in the environment, which is a fairly common natural mineral (it's the reason red clay is red). To be fair, there might still be some slight negative effects to ecosystems which do not naturally have a lot of iron oxide at the surface, but that wouldn't even be a rounding error compared to the harmful environmental effects of tires and asphalt. Also, steel dust is very heavy so there's essentially no chance of it getting into the air and inhaled.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    What are the odds that a PR group, well aware of the damage of tyres, spun the focus to target small consumable plastics?

    Don't look at cars, look at the image of turtles and straws, seagulls and can rings, and porpoises mistaking bags for jellyfish.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago*

    Just another reason why private cars are a horrible idea

    !fuckcars@lemmy.world

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If only we could have a one company pick people up and deliver them to another point or work from home and have our stuff delivered.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The use of tires will be a daunting thing to change. If somehow we all managed to change to bicycles for instance, there are still tires.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    The amount of wear on the tires of a bicycle which let's just assume the heaviest person riding the heaviest e-bike would be a few hundred pounds wearing on the tires? Compared to several tons for an auto pressing down on 4 tires it's a LOT less.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    If a solution reduces a problem by 99% I'd say that's a damn good solution. Instead here we are, clapping and rejoicing when the car companies say the new model is 5% more fuel efficient or 3% lighter over the ongoing model.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    As per the quote below, a car loses about 0.08g of tread per km.

    Compared to a car, a bike tyre is about the same diameter, 10% of the width (~20mm), 28% usable tread depth (~2mm), has 50% less wheels, and can travel 10% the distance (~10000km).

    This suggests a (very approximate) tread loss of 0.08 * 10% * 28% * 50% / 10% = ~ 0.01g per km for bicycles.

    For replacing longer car journeys less typically travelled by bicycle, rail transport is the best solution and removes the issue of tyre wear.

    Quoting [deleted] in r/theydidthemath:

    Using the same assumptions as above (215/60R16 tires, 7mm of tread loss over 100,000 km), I estimate the loss of tread by volume from each tire as follows:

    Cylinder with a diameter of 664 mm and a height of 215 mm has a volume of 74,412 cm3. Cylinder with a diameter of 664-(2x7)=650 mm and a height of 215 mm has a volume of 71,307 cm3. The volume difference between a new and worn out tire is 3105 cm3.

    Typical land to sea ratio of tires is 60-70% land, depending on the type of tire. If we go with an about average value of close to 65% tread, we get the lost rubber volume of about 2000 cm3 or 2,000,000 mm3 over a single tires lifespan.

    Each revolution of a tire loses about 0,04 mm3 of tread, which, according to Wolfram Alpha, is a bit less than the volume of a medium grain of sand.

    If we look at the entire car with 4 tires over a kilometer of road, we get 80 mm3 or about 0,08 grams of tread lost per car per kilometer.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    I mentioned this in a discussion a while back. Tires are a huge problem for society.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Forget about the ocean. There is a more pressing matter as they are closer from tires than oceans : our lungs !!

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    [+] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Microplastics? Yes.

    Microplastics cause damage and death to cells in the body. While not confirmed, it is believed that this will result in a cancer risk in the future.

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  • [+] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Research into those topics is still ongoing.

    Right now the cytotoxic effects are the only effects confirmed in humans I believe.

    We are consuming microplastics at an alarming rate, it's found in our stomach, brain, lungs and blood. Fish and drinking water are the two largest sources of human ingestion of microplastics.

    If carcinogenic then it would likely be pretty substantial.

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