cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/542998

"It does suck, because everybody kind of makes fun of the Cybertruck. To the outside person, it's kind of weird, it's ugly, whatever. Once you actually get in it, drive it, you realize it's pretty frickin' cool," he says. "It's kind of been sad, because I've been trying to prove to people that it's a really awesome truck that's not falling apart, and then mine starts to fall apart, so it's just... Yeah, it's kind of unfortunate and sad."

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[–] 157 points 1 year ago (6 children)

the trim piece that flew off of his truck is connected to a plastic frame bolted directly to the car; that trim piece, he says, is stuck to the frame with adhesive rather than welded or bolted to anything. That adhesive has seemingly failed in multiple places on his truck, leading to the loosened roofline trim panels.

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  • [–] 129 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    How the hell is that thing legal to sell??

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  • [–] 123 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I worked at the Tesla plant in Fremont for a bit and most of every car is held together with adhesive. They claim it's super strong and once heated, it's stronger than welding... But, I mean... They are still falling apart and I don't know if that's because the adhesive sucks or if it's because every single day, they had to have someone remind everyone that the glue pattern posted at every station where it's applied isn't just a suggestion, it's an engineering requirement for the structural integrity of the part. People were just slapping the adhesive onto shit in any old way they pleased a lot of the time.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    it’s stronger than welding

    (X) to doubt

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Adhesives can be incredibly strong.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    But never a weld.

    MEK welds styrene. Cynocrylate forms a mechanical bond. MEK will be stronger in tension, cyno stronger in shear.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't even know the name of the adhesive they used. I do know that it was made by 3M and that it's orange.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Well, OK. So maybe that adhesive is stronger than a weld on that particular plastic. Of course, if you're talking about adhering a plastic to a metal you cannot weld it so Elmer's would be "stronger than a weld". But whatever's going on it's not adequate.

    E: and actually welding plastic together typically isn't that strong, a mechanical bond can easily be stronger than melting the plastic to weld it.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    they had to have someone remind everyone that the glue pattern posted at every station where it's applied isn't just a suggestion, it's an engineering requirement for the structural integrity of the part. People were just slapping the adhesive onto shit in any old way they pleased a lot of the time.

    In other words, the things were being designed by underqualified engineers who didn't understand factors of safety, design for manufacturability, or that precision comes at a cost.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Essentially every car has a windshield and trim attached only by adhesive, and has for decades. This ought to be a solved problem.

    Is that trim piece steel? Maybe something about the material, usually they’re gluing on plastic trim pieces. They’re relying on heated adhesive but it’s a long skinny piece made of a material that conducts heat?

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    There's a reason why the EU won't allow the sale of cybertrucks and it all has to do with build quality and safety.

    Edit: strikethrough added based on incorrect assumption as pointed out below

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I thought it was purely due to inadequate rounding of angles on the body due to stricter pedestrian safety laws that the EU has. Does the EU have some kind of build quality testing and standard that the cybertruck failed?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I actually didn't quite remember the reason, so I checked it. The rounding is one main reason and the fact it is so heavy it requires a drivers license for trucks, as well as basically no demand. So no build quality requirements failed, but definitely safety related.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    What. The. Fuck...

    Are we taking lessons from Samsung now? I mean are they serious? Adhesive for car parts?!

    Well gee, as long as car exteriors don't experience extreme heating/cooling cycles on a daily basis, then adhesive should work just fine. Oh wait.

    It's like they wanted this vehicle to fail.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Adhesive is fairly common in cars now. Some higher end cars are held together almost entirely with adhesives that bond carbon tubs to the frame.

    More info here

    That being said, they're obviously not using it correctly or in the right circumstances on the cybercuck. What a piece of shit.

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    [–] 74 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think I know why too - because they are pieces of shit that are poorly constructed.

    If you haven't seen the clip, watch the guy that shuts the door kinda hard but not crazy and it no longer opens. Find me another vehicle like that - don't worry, I'll wait.

    The clip

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If the in-car cameras don't see you do Heil Hitler before every ride, they will occasionally instruct the computer to drop parts of the car. That is a standard feature. If you do the V sign, it will engage autopilot and crash you into the nearest wall. Pro-tip: if you want to do some sort of anti-nazi activity in your Cybershit, do it in winter, or early spring, as the "truck" can't do fuck, as the wheels don't work on snow or mud.

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    [–] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "I bought a very expensive piece of shit, and everyone else thinks it's a piece of a shit, but when I try to convince them that it's not a piece of shit... it ends up doing piece of shit things. I just don't get it."

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I also really liked this part

    "[...]I love Teslas," he says. "I'm just trying to share what's going on to better help the engineers to fix this super fast."

    He's just so cute, the way he's keeping his copes up despite everything

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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago

    Toughest truck ever built, bullet proof, yada yada yada.

    Well apparently it's not even wind proof. 🤣🤣🤣

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago

    Ah, Spring. When the Swasticars shed their winter coats...

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The fuck is this website ?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think it's some CDN doing that because I got that exact page trying to go to digikey yesterday. I had to disable Firefox's tracking protection to get past it

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I grey-listed px-cdn.net and a couple of related things in UBO and was able to get in. It's not worth it. Article summary: "They used glue instead of welds/bonds/clips, and the glue is turning brittle and separating from the steel when it flexes (sometime simply due to temperature change)." More details: "It occurs more frequently, the higher the VIN."

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Elon promise: 10nm precision Elon Delivers: truck stuck with glue.

    I think the problem with Tesla is that they have too many legacy hires making decisions.

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    [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    Because the truck is embarrassed, it's trying to mask itself

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Whatever glue they're using has a different expansion/contraction rate than the stainless steel, and the fairly smooth metal doesn't give much surface area to hold, anyway. So in cold or hot days, you're going to see separation.

    And it doesn't help when they don't even glue the right pattern from the factory.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I find this offensive, it can't possibly be true, because Elon knows more than anybody else on this planet about production. He has said so himself!!
    And one thing we know for sure, is that you can trust Elon. We will have FSD by 2017, and a manned base on the moon by 2024. And Hyperloop will revolutionize public transportation.

    /s

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    it just flew off while driving

    Lol

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    As someone who isn’t a car guy, this is a legit question: Do other manufacturers also glue panels onto plastic parts?

    That doesn’t seem like something that would be the norm but maybe I’m clueless.

    Edit: Thanks for clarifying. I certainly learned something new.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, and many planes and jets are glued together too. This isn't your cheap school glue. That said, Tesla's good at fucking up, so who knows what they did wrong. Probably everything.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    They used Elmers because Xelon saw it and thought it said Elons Glue... and then he ate some. I say 'some' but I really meant a few gallons, and that's why he carries around a chainsaw.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago*

    Work for a somewhat expensive automotive brand and yes it is very common. We have cars from $60k to over $400k and beyond, and they all are glued together everywhere you look, that or plastic clips, very little is actually bolted on. Sometimes because in a crash it is better that a piece breaks and fly's off then to stay mounted to the car, and in (most) other cases, probably for cost reasons. But it is a common thing, and has been for a long while, and if executed right, it is tried and true, however if you don't have good quality control and workers who don't care, they're not gonna mount pieces right, and create a hazard

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Teslas have had shit build quality forever. They ripped out so many features from the cockpit and replaced it all with a single shitty display. Elon said it's radical and better, fans sucked it up.

    He was a scammer right from the start. He bought the company to ride the green wave and rip off idiots with garbage EVs. Everyone knew his shit cars don't cost much money to build, Chinese EV makers proved it.

    He couldn't even turn a profit with his fucking company and had to resort to stock manipulation. People seem to forget what a piece of human garbage Elon was all along.

    It's no surprise that garbage truck falls apart. Trade it in for the roadster you fucking idiot!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    A Tesla owner who wraps the vehicles for a living has come up with a hypothesis as to why his truck lost a piece of its bodywork at speed.

    The car is shit and poorly built. I don't think there is much of a mystery here.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    It’s going through puberty obviously

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Edolf Muskler’s swastikars are self-yeeting out of shame and anxiety at having been built by a corporation owned and run by an unapologetic Nazi. I would, too.

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