The BIOS does a lot less than you'd expect, it doesn't really have an impact on gaming performance. For what it's worth, I've been gaming in a VM for years, and it uses the TianoCore/OVMF/EDK2 firmware, and no issues. Once Linux is booted, it doesn't really matter all that much. You're not even allowed to use firmware services after the OS is booted, it's only meant for bootloaders or simple applications. As long as all the hardware is initialized and configured properly it shouldn't matter.
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BIOS doesn't matter for gaming as long as you don't use modded GPU drivers.
Yes, probably. It is possible to flash and use dasharo (a downstream fork of coreboot) onto a modern MSI Z790A motherboard, which gets you pcie gen 5, 14th gen intel, and so on. I’m not sure if the necessary code to get it running has been upstreamed into coreboot yet. https://docs.dasharo.com/unified/msi/overview/
From there, you can use corna’s me_cleaner to disable (and clean) the management engine. There are reports of it working on alder lake: https://docs.dasharo.com/unified/msi/overview/
Here’s a full tutorial on disabling your ME on modern systems: https://github.com/mostav02/Remove_IntelME_FPT?tab=readme-ov-file#neutralizing-me-and-flashing-via-fpt
To be honest, though, I wouldn’t bother unless you’re doing it for fun. I’m not sure if this entire process necessarily works on the Z790+14th gen intel anyway.
My understanding is there are few desirable motherboards that support Coreboot.
Don't like Intel Management Engine? or processors that shit themselves? go AMD.
AMD has the Platform Security Processor. While it supposedly doesn't have network access, it's still a block box with full access to all memory.
As far as I know it's also less documented. People have dug really deep into Intel ME that they even found a bit that disables most of the ME.
On the other hand AMD is planning to use coreboot compatible open firmware in the next EPYC generation. Knowing AMD, it will eventually come to the consumer market too. (We'll see if it will be available before Red Hat drops x11)
Also there was a phoronix article recently that Intel is too messing around with Coreboot on Xeon.
By "desirable motherboard" in this context I mean a standard ATX (or standard size variants) motherboard with a currently supported socket and chipset commonly available on the consumer market. To run Intel 13th or 14th gen, or Ryzen 7000 or 9000. I don't know if you can just buy an MSI or Asrock etc. board and expect to run Coreboot on them.
What's the advantage of coreboot? Soothes paranoia mainly. Both Intel and AMD platforms have little black boxes in them that run a separate little OS beneath Windows or Linux that has Ring 0 or similar low-level access to the hardware and could theoretically man in the middle anything done on the machine. Intel's is MINIX based, it's called the Intel Management Engine, and it genuinely is a little bit bile inducing reading what it has access to. AMD does have a simlar technology.
In terms of performance, system stability etc? Very little. Once the kernel is loaded and in control of the hardware the BIOS doesn't effect much AFAIK.
I'm not very familiar with it but I've not heard much about even AM4 boards being supported. I think of Coreboot (or it's completely binary blob free fork LibreBoot) and I think of either Purism or System76 and in both cases for their laptops.
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This kind of thing (the "main" operating system is built atop a secret basement full of god knows what) isn't restricted to x86 either. On a Raspberry Pi, Linux running on the ARM cores is a second class citizen to ThreadX running on the VideoCore processor.
My understanding of things like the IME is that its reason for being is mostly benign, it lets enterprise-level IT departments do things like boot computers from across the network and stuff like that. It has no real use to home customers on their private PCs, but it's included on all systems to simplify engineering; it handles a lot of the early boot process. And it's always running. The privacy enthusiasts out there who carry a copy of TAILS on their keychains just in case aren't fond of the fact that there's a proprietary OS with unrestricted access to memory and networking just sitting there with no way of auditing or monitoring what it was doing.
This has been a thing for AWHILE now, and the whole coreboot thing...Intel, board manufacturers etc. keep their data so locked up that it's a challenge to build anything that works, so it's a miracle we have things like Coreboot at all. They largely concentrate on laptops IIRC, and it's rare to see full fat desktop motherboards that work with Coreboot.
While many comments here are correct that it would affect less than you'd expect, there are things that may not be covered.
For example:
- there's no setting for hyperthreading
- no way to disable SATA drives, in case you'd like to be selective
- you'll need to reflash the BIOS if you want to change boot order permanently
Also, make sure you have the correct video BIOS.
yeah i play ksp and rainworld with coreboot+disabled ME thinkpad t430 and it's fine (coreboot has no performance penalties)
the only thing coreboot broke in my instance was the passive (cpufreq) powersave cpu scaler for my cpu, but I could just switch to the active (intel_pstate) powersave cpu scaler which is better anyway
are there modern desktop motherboards/chipsets/bioses that let you disable ME though? the z690/z790 are the only ones that I know can run coreboot (ignoring laptop motherboards), but I thought that still had to run ME?
How would the lack of passive CPU powersaving affect things on your end?
I'm not sure why it wouldn't be it doesn't change how Linux works at runtime does it?
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