▲ 17 ▼ US iPhone market share jumps to 55% as Android shipments fall (9to5mac.com) submitted 3 years ago by zak11h@lemmy.world to c/apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world 61 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Google restricts Cross app tracking and you can entirely disable the ad profile. They will continue to make money off of the users who don't care, while capturing more market from those who do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I’m talking about blocking cross app tracking, not “restricting” it. Still, Google does not even restrict cross app tracking. They’ve announced a planned muli-year (their words) initiative to restrict cross app tracking- but, importantly, they’ve very clearly expressed that they’re going to work with advertisers to make sure that what they plan isn’t too disruptive. Which should be obvious anyway, because advertisers are literally their only real paying customers. All that Google is interested in doing is finding the absolute minimum that they can do to give the illusion that they care about privacy, all without having to do anything that meaningfully protects user data. And only after Apple makes a huge change that devours even more of Google’s market share. If you’re thinking about the current feature in android that allows users to “disable” cross app tracking, it actually doesn’t. It just disable Google’s advertising ID, but still let’s any app who wants to fingerprint your device using IP address and device serial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) No. What they've done is made a local Ad ID that can be used locally on your device without interacting with another app. But you can disable it. Plus, on Android you can literally completely sandbox apps: https://www.gtricks.com/android/how-to-sandbox-android-apps-for-privacy/ Or use a VPN if you're worried about IP/Device tracking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No. Sandboxed apps only prevent some fingerprinting, but notably provides a ‘reasonable budget’ for data that can be gathered. What you said about the advertising ID is true and is basically what I said, but disabling the advertising ID does not stop profiling or fingerprinting, just limits the most obvious applications of it. Using a VPN is a start, but we’re comparing the privacy of Android and iOS. You can use a VPN on both. iOS includes an opt-in pseudo-vpn baked into the OS with private relay, for $0.99 per month. And besides, using a VPN does nothing to block the the fingerprinting done by native apps. Are you sure you work in security? Like, mall security? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No. Sandboxed apps only prevent some fingerprinting, but notably provides a ‘reasonable budget’ for data that can be gathered. Sandboxes absolutely prevent all cross-app tracking. The app doesn't have access to anything outside the sandbox. What you said about the advertising ID is true and is basically what I said, but disabling the advertising ID does not stop profiling or fingerprinting, just limits the most obvious applications of it. What useful tracking do you think is still happening when you take these precautions? Using a VPN is a start, but we’re comparing the privacy of Android and iOS. You can use a VPN on both. iOS includes an opt-in pseudo-vpn baked into the OS with private relay, for $0.99 per month. And besides, using a VPN does nothing to block the the fingerprinting done by native apps. So then what difference does it make? You can use whatever VPN you want. Are you sure you work in security? Like, mall security? Yes. Stick to the topic. The ad-hominem is just childish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago Android app sideloading utilized something called a “privacy budget,” where the system does give sandboxed apps access to “limited” device data. The idea is that Google “doesn’t want to break the app functionality,” so Android provides details about the device as long as the app isn’t requesting “too much.” Of course it’s possible to to completely sandbox an app without breaking it, but, again, Google is an adtech company and providing their customers with users that they can target with ads is literally their only goal. I stopped reading your reply after your first paragraph because you’ve established a very predictable pattern of having no idea what you’re talking about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I’m talking about blocking cross app tracking, not “restricting” it. Still, Google does not even restrict cross app tracking. They’ve announced a planned muli-year (their words) initiative to restrict cross app tracking- but, importantly, they’ve very clearly expressed that they’re going to work with advertisers to make sure that what they plan isn’t too disruptive. Which should be obvious anyway, because advertisers are literally their only real paying customers. All that Google is interested in doing is finding the absolute minimum that they can do to give the illusion that they care about privacy, all without having to do anything that meaningfully protects user data. And only after Apple makes a huge change that devours even more of Google’s market share. If you’re thinking about the current feature in android that allows users to “disable” cross app tracking, it actually doesn’t. It just disable Google’s advertising ID, but still let’s any app who wants to fingerprint your device using IP address and device serial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) No. What they've done is made a local Ad ID that can be used locally on your device without interacting with another app. But you can disable it. Plus, on Android you can literally completely sandbox apps: https://www.gtricks.com/android/how-to-sandbox-android-apps-for-privacy/ Or use a VPN if you're worried about IP/Device tracking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No. Sandboxed apps only prevent some fingerprinting, but notably provides a ‘reasonable budget’ for data that can be gathered. What you said about the advertising ID is true and is basically what I said, but disabling the advertising ID does not stop profiling or fingerprinting, just limits the most obvious applications of it. Using a VPN is a start, but we’re comparing the privacy of Android and iOS. You can use a VPN on both. iOS includes an opt-in pseudo-vpn baked into the OS with private relay, for $0.99 per month. And besides, using a VPN does nothing to block the the fingerprinting done by native apps. Are you sure you work in security? Like, mall security? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No. Sandboxed apps only prevent some fingerprinting, but notably provides a ‘reasonable budget’ for data that can be gathered. Sandboxes absolutely prevent all cross-app tracking. The app doesn't have access to anything outside the sandbox. What you said about the advertising ID is true and is basically what I said, but disabling the advertising ID does not stop profiling or fingerprinting, just limits the most obvious applications of it. What useful tracking do you think is still happening when you take these precautions? Using a VPN is a start, but we’re comparing the privacy of Android and iOS. You can use a VPN on both. iOS includes an opt-in pseudo-vpn baked into the OS with private relay, for $0.99 per month. And besides, using a VPN does nothing to block the the fingerprinting done by native apps. So then what difference does it make? You can use whatever VPN you want. Are you sure you work in security? Like, mall security? Yes. Stick to the topic. The ad-hominem is just childish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago Android app sideloading utilized something called a “privacy budget,” where the system does give sandboxed apps access to “limited” device data. The idea is that Google “doesn’t want to break the app functionality,” so Android provides details about the device as long as the app isn’t requesting “too much.” Of course it’s possible to to completely sandbox an app without breaking it, but, again, Google is an adtech company and providing their customers with users that they can target with ads is literally their only goal. I stopped reading your reply after your first paragraph because you’ve established a very predictable pattern of having no idea what you’re talking about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) No. What they've done is made a local Ad ID that can be used locally on your device without interacting with another app. But you can disable it. Plus, on Android you can literally completely sandbox apps: https://www.gtricks.com/android/how-to-sandbox-android-apps-for-privacy/ Or use a VPN if you're worried about IP/Device tracking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No. Sandboxed apps only prevent some fingerprinting, but notably provides a ‘reasonable budget’ for data that can be gathered. What you said about the advertising ID is true and is basically what I said, but disabling the advertising ID does not stop profiling or fingerprinting, just limits the most obvious applications of it. Using a VPN is a start, but we’re comparing the privacy of Android and iOS. You can use a VPN on both. iOS includes an opt-in pseudo-vpn baked into the OS with private relay, for $0.99 per month. And besides, using a VPN does nothing to block the the fingerprinting done by native apps. Are you sure you work in security? Like, mall security? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No. Sandboxed apps only prevent some fingerprinting, but notably provides a ‘reasonable budget’ for data that can be gathered. Sandboxes absolutely prevent all cross-app tracking. The app doesn't have access to anything outside the sandbox. What you said about the advertising ID is true and is basically what I said, but disabling the advertising ID does not stop profiling or fingerprinting, just limits the most obvious applications of it. What useful tracking do you think is still happening when you take these precautions? Using a VPN is a start, but we’re comparing the privacy of Android and iOS. You can use a VPN on both. iOS includes an opt-in pseudo-vpn baked into the OS with private relay, for $0.99 per month. And besides, using a VPN does nothing to block the the fingerprinting done by native apps. So then what difference does it make? You can use whatever VPN you want. Are you sure you work in security? Like, mall security? Yes. Stick to the topic. The ad-hominem is just childish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago Android app sideloading utilized something called a “privacy budget,” where the system does give sandboxed apps access to “limited” device data. The idea is that Google “doesn’t want to break the app functionality,” so Android provides details about the device as long as the app isn’t requesting “too much.” Of course it’s possible to to completely sandbox an app without breaking it, but, again, Google is an adtech company and providing their customers with users that they can target with ads is literally their only goal. I stopped reading your reply after your first paragraph because you’ve established a very predictable pattern of having no idea what you’re talking about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No. Sandboxed apps only prevent some fingerprinting, but notably provides a ‘reasonable budget’ for data that can be gathered. What you said about the advertising ID is true and is basically what I said, but disabling the advertising ID does not stop profiling or fingerprinting, just limits the most obvious applications of it. Using a VPN is a start, but we’re comparing the privacy of Android and iOS. You can use a VPN on both. iOS includes an opt-in pseudo-vpn baked into the OS with private relay, for $0.99 per month. And besides, using a VPN does nothing to block the the fingerprinting done by native apps. Are you sure you work in security? Like, mall security? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No. Sandboxed apps only prevent some fingerprinting, but notably provides a ‘reasonable budget’ for data that can be gathered. Sandboxes absolutely prevent all cross-app tracking. The app doesn't have access to anything outside the sandbox. What you said about the advertising ID is true and is basically what I said, but disabling the advertising ID does not stop profiling or fingerprinting, just limits the most obvious applications of it. What useful tracking do you think is still happening when you take these precautions? Using a VPN is a start, but we’re comparing the privacy of Android and iOS. You can use a VPN on both. iOS includes an opt-in pseudo-vpn baked into the OS with private relay, for $0.99 per month. And besides, using a VPN does nothing to block the the fingerprinting done by native apps. So then what difference does it make? You can use whatever VPN you want. Are you sure you work in security? Like, mall security? Yes. Stick to the topic. The ad-hominem is just childish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago Android app sideloading utilized something called a “privacy budget,” where the system does give sandboxed apps access to “limited” device data. The idea is that Google “doesn’t want to break the app functionality,” so Android provides details about the device as long as the app isn’t requesting “too much.” Of course it’s possible to to completely sandbox an app without breaking it, but, again, Google is an adtech company and providing their customers with users that they can target with ads is literally their only goal. I stopped reading your reply after your first paragraph because you’ve established a very predictable pattern of having no idea what you’re talking about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No. Sandboxed apps only prevent some fingerprinting, but notably provides a ‘reasonable budget’ for data that can be gathered. Sandboxes absolutely prevent all cross-app tracking. The app doesn't have access to anything outside the sandbox. What you said about the advertising ID is true and is basically what I said, but disabling the advertising ID does not stop profiling or fingerprinting, just limits the most obvious applications of it. What useful tracking do you think is still happening when you take these precautions? Using a VPN is a start, but we’re comparing the privacy of Android and iOS. You can use a VPN on both. iOS includes an opt-in pseudo-vpn baked into the OS with private relay, for $0.99 per month. And besides, using a VPN does nothing to block the the fingerprinting done by native apps. So then what difference does it make? You can use whatever VPN you want. Are you sure you work in security? Like, mall security? Yes. Stick to the topic. The ad-hominem is just childish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago Android app sideloading utilized something called a “privacy budget,” where the system does give sandboxed apps access to “limited” device data. The idea is that Google “doesn’t want to break the app functionality,” so Android provides details about the device as long as the app isn’t requesting “too much.” Of course it’s possible to to completely sandbox an app without breaking it, but, again, Google is an adtech company and providing their customers with users that they can target with ads is literally their only goal. I stopped reading your reply after your first paragraph because you’ve established a very predictable pattern of having no idea what you’re talking about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago Android app sideloading utilized something called a “privacy budget,” where the system does give sandboxed apps access to “limited” device data. The idea is that Google “doesn’t want to break the app functionality,” so Android provides details about the device as long as the app isn’t requesting “too much.” Of course it’s possible to to completely sandbox an app without breaking it, but, again, Google is an adtech company and providing their customers with users that they can target with ads is literally their only goal. I stopped reading your reply after your first paragraph because you’ve established a very predictable pattern of having no idea what you’re talking about. permalink fedilink source parent