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[–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I'm referring to the political compass, not center right liberals. Yall just refer to anyone that doesn't love authoritarian regimes as "liberals."

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    The political compass is useless for describing actual ideologies. Partly because that's not how ideologies work, partly because you can't divorce political philosophies from their contexts in society.

    Here's an academic work going over what liberalism meant to every major liberal philosopher.

    Like anarchists, we only call people who support capitalism liberals, because liberalism is the philosophy of capitalism.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What's the societal context for defending genocides and excusing imperialism (specifically, Russia)?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Opposition to American imperialism isn't support for Russian imperialism.

    The simple truth is that this prolonged war is worse than a quick defeat for the people living in Ukraine; millions are displaced, hundreds of thousands are dead, the rightwing is stronger than ever in both countries, and Ukraine will never be safe again within either of our lifetimes.

    3 parties can unilaterally end the war right now, Russia, Ukraine, and America. As an American, the only way I can meaningfully oppose the war is to oppose America's involvement. That would be reversed if I was a Russian.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Rewarding imperialism because war is bad. Fantastic. I'm going to move next door and annex your backyard because you rolling over and letting me have it is better than a prolonged legal fight.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    In this analogy you've created, that user would get me or another to take pot shots at your children while you kill their children for years and years until finally you or they give up, both worse than just accepting that the separatist governments were legitimate and the insanely corrupt zelensky government was probably in the wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    the separatist government's were legitimate

    And definitely in no way funded or supported by Russia, right?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/26/russia-admits-soldiers-in-ukraine

    https://youtu.be/xV0FUx5i9eA

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/selfie-soldiers-russia-checks-in-to-ukraine/

    Russia indisputibly fired the first shots, and the so-called genocide in donbas was about 3k civilian deaths over 8 years of conflict. Not ideal, but still miles better than the 12k civilians killed (often deliberately) in the almost 3 years since the full scale invasion by Russia. Not to mention the cities literally shelled to rubble.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    The two aren't mutually exclusive. Like when the CIA supported the Maidan coup or any other color revolution, the GRU taking advantage of very real grievances of the Russian-speaking population of Donbass to advance its own geopolitical interests at the expense of those same people doesn't mean those grievances didn't exist or that those people were happy being part of a Ukrainian state that made them second-class citizens.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes exactly the same. I remember the Abrams and us soldiers rolling through the streets in support of the coup of the totally not russian puppet.

    But hey, if you think the CIA can literally psyop 70+% of a country into supporting EU membership, then you might be more of an American exceptionalist than the liberals you hate.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you think the US doesn't fund and arm right-wing factions and media in adversarial (and sometimes "friendly") countries, IDK what to tell you.

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