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The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant (utcc.utoronto.ca)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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In response to Wayland Breaks Your Bad Software

I say that the technical merits are irrelevant because I don't believe that they're a major factor any more in most people moving or not moving to Wayland.

With only a slight amount of generalization, none of these people will be moved by Wayland's technical merits. The energetic people who could be persuaded by technical merits to go through switching desktop environments or in some cases replacing hardware (or accepting limited features) have mostly moved to Wayland already. The people who remain on X are there either because they don't want to rebuild their desktop environment, they don't want to do without features and performance they currently have, or their Linux distribution doesn't think their desktop should switch to Wayland yet.

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[–] 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The ability to have multiple displays at different scales is a godsend when trying to use a laptop with a 4k display connected to 1080p monitors or vice versa

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    This already works on X and indeed has worked longer than Wayland has existed.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I can never get this to work properly... Do you have any resources?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I just passed scale to xrandr after computing the proper scale and then used the nvidia-settings gui to write current configuration to xorg.conf its not incredibly hard basically all you are doing is scaling lower DPI items up to the same resolution as your highest dpi item and letting it scale down the correct physical size. For instance if you have 27' monitors that are 4K and 1080p you just scale the 1080 ones by 2 if you have a 4k 27 and a 1080 24" its closer to 1.75. The correct ratio can be found with your favorite calculator app.

    You can set this scaling directly in nvidia-settings come to think of it where you set viewport in and viewport out.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That's not at all the same thing. That requires downscaling some screens, which makes everything blurry and breaks subpixel AA.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, wherever someone says "X has/has had fractional scaling" I just ignore them because it's never actually true fractional scaling that doesn't look and act like utter crap.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It is literally how Wayland is scaling your shit you just don't know how anything works.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Without the recently added wp-fractional-scale-v1, yes, it will do that if you use fractional scales (albeit per window rather than per monitor). Not however if you stick to integer scales, as they might do in the 1080p+4k use case.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I tried unsuccessfully to get this working for quite some time and broke my xrandr settings quite a few times

    With Wayland/gnome I just click a button in the settings gui and it works flawlessly

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    With X/i3 I had to read and the result works well. With Sway I had to read and the result works poorly. So is sway better for the illiterate?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    Would you not say the best case scenario is for it to just work great straight away and not require you to read a manual or do any debugging at all just to configure your display scale?

    Also sway/i3 aren't known to be "it just works" kinda window managers anyway they're definitely aimed at people who like to tinker

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