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[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (9 children) I'm a socialist, but go off king. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago Socialism with State Department Talking Points Characteristics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (1 child) You might claim you are, but you're acting like a and actions are what determine what we are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Acting like a lib for pointing out an abundance of blatant misinformation? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You are a lib for disagreeing with me, the one true leftist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) I sadly cannot see your externally hosted image. I am sure however that it was revisionism, so I choose to feel no sadness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's a reaction gif, but we all know your assumption game could use a little work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago I assumed it was reactionary, and boy was I right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I assumed you were a dickhead, and wow was I right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Good one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Low energy, SAD permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago removed externally hosted image * Owned permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago we literally can't see what you posted permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aw, you think you're not a liberal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) So I'm not a true socialist unless I support Putin's war of aggression. Got it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) you don't really have to support Putin per se, many of us including myself would feel glee watching him be put up against a wall by communist revolutionaries, but supporting NATO is a pretty big dealbreaker given NATO's imperialist and fascist history. e.g. Several Nazi German officials being put into NATO's government. Gladio and funding of fascist stay-behind groups in the event of Soviet invasion. Yugoslavia. Libya. I certainly want NATO to be destroyed, hopefully from within rather than without to prevent nuclear war, and unfortunately for us, the reactionary state of Russia seems to be the best bet to maybe have that eventually occur. also, stop calling things "wars of aggression" unless you're going to call everything a war of aggression, my god. what an annoying thought-terminating cliche. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Absolutely nobody has said that except you. Very typical lib talking point though. What socialist spaces do you get your news and information from? Any at all? Or do you just immerse yourself in liberal spaces then end up repeating everything they say and wonder why socialists all call you a liberal? Serious question btw. What socialist media and socialist spaces do you actually participate in and follow? How can you possibly consider yourself to have gotten rid of the liberal brainworms you've had your entire life if you continue to immerse yourself within the liberal superstructure? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you all made things pretty clear when you consider that the only thing I've actually done here is make it clear that I don't support Russia in this war and am being blasted for being a "lib" for doing so. You're being delusional. I don't owe you anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago makes claims claims refuted I don't owe you anything. No investigation, no right to speak permalink fedilink source parent [–] OrlandoDeCabron@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (2 children) Please respect other users pronouns even if you politically disagree with them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago Thank you ♥️ permalink fedilink source parent [+] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I simply wouldn't use misgendering turns of phrase permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) And not use misgendering language? We all make mistakes at times, it's what happens, and it's fair to ask questions to better understand, but being against it after you've been informed strikes me as silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) The only way I think it can be construed as misgendering language is if the parts of the idiom or turn of phrase are parsed individually, which is exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do with an idiom. If this sentence is misgendering myself, then I'm the Queen of England. I get that this guy is a shithead but pretending that he's also doing something wrong here seems to be playing for some esoteric own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Go off queen" is 100% a thing, which means that "go off king" isn't just a neutral idiomatic expression, but a gendered idiomatic expression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019. It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think ronjonguaido is a shithead, I don't think that it was done on purpose or anything, and I can see what you mean - I didn't myself pick up on it being misgendering language. I think maybe it comes down to intent? I dunno. On the one hand sure there are phrases, but on the other, maybe we should question the gendering of idioms? Way out of my league tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago Then go ahead, we're all waiting permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago Just "but go off" would work perfectly well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago There's a lot of gendered turns of phrases, which doesn't necessarily make them acceptable. I make a lot of mistakes myself it's alright, it's what happens. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's a turn of phrase. Wait until you find out that "go off queen" is also a thing. I wonder why "go off king" and "go off queen" has to both exist. Could it be that this idiomatic expression is a gendered one and that using the expression on someone who doesn't identify with that gender is a form of misgendering? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I haven't seen either of these phrases, but in my experience even when something is supposed to be the equivalent versions of each other, it somehow feels different to hear and say. Like, it feels alright to call my group of friends "bros" but not "sisses." Could it be that "go off queen" and "go off king" have different connotations despite the fact that they should mean the same thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason that one version of the "go off" phrase (identical in every way to the other except for one word that specifies gender) might feel to you like it has different connotations is because we live in a patriarchal society that doesn't assign value the same across all genders. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as a misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. I wanted to give a couple of other examples too, but that's just what I thought of at the moment. "Hey guys" or "hey dudes" also works though. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. When did I say or insinuate that it was? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago Couldn't resist that misgendering urge huh? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, you arent. You are repeating imperialist talking points permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Again, all I said was I support Ukraine and call out deliberate disinformation. You guys seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago You support a Nazi country that works with imperialists. You aren’t a socialist, but nothing more than a Fox News watching liberal permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago Socialism with State Department Talking Points Characteristics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (1 child) You might claim you are, but you're acting like a and actions are what determine what we are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Acting like a lib for pointing out an abundance of blatant misinformation? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You are a lib for disagreeing with me, the one true leftist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) I sadly cannot see your externally hosted image. I am sure however that it was revisionism, so I choose to feel no sadness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's a reaction gif, but we all know your assumption game could use a little work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago I assumed it was reactionary, and boy was I right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I assumed you were a dickhead, and wow was I right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Good one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Low energy, SAD permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago removed externally hosted image * Owned permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago we literally can't see what you posted permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Acting like a lib for pointing out an abundance of blatant misinformation? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You are a lib for disagreeing with me, the one true leftist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) I sadly cannot see your externally hosted image. I am sure however that it was revisionism, so I choose to feel no sadness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's a reaction gif, but we all know your assumption game could use a little work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago I assumed it was reactionary, and boy was I right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I assumed you were a dickhead, and wow was I right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Good one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Low energy, SAD permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago removed externally hosted image * Owned permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago we literally can't see what you posted permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You are a lib for disagreeing with me, the one true leftist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) I sadly cannot see your externally hosted image. I am sure however that it was revisionism, so I choose to feel no sadness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's a reaction gif, but we all know your assumption game could use a little work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago I assumed it was reactionary, and boy was I right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I assumed you were a dickhead, and wow was I right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Good one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Low energy, SAD permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago removed externally hosted image * Owned permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago we literally can't see what you posted permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) I sadly cannot see your externally hosted image. I am sure however that it was revisionism, so I choose to feel no sadness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's a reaction gif, but we all know your assumption game could use a little work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago I assumed it was reactionary, and boy was I right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I assumed you were a dickhead, and wow was I right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Good one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Low energy, SAD permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago removed externally hosted image * Owned permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago we literally can't see what you posted permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) I sadly cannot see your externally hosted image. I am sure however that it was revisionism, so I choose to feel no sadness permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's a reaction gif, but we all know your assumption game could use a little work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago I assumed it was reactionary, and boy was I right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I assumed you were a dickhead, and wow was I right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Good one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Low energy, SAD permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's a reaction gif, but we all know your assumption game could use a little work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago I assumed it was reactionary, and boy was I right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I assumed you were a dickhead, and wow was I right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Good one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Low energy, SAD permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago I assumed it was reactionary, and boy was I right permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I assumed you were a dickhead, and wow was I right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Good one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Low energy, SAD permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Good one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Low energy, SAD permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago removed externally hosted image * Owned permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago we literally can't see what you posted permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aw, you think you're not a liberal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) So I'm not a true socialist unless I support Putin's war of aggression. Got it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) you don't really have to support Putin per se, many of us including myself would feel glee watching him be put up against a wall by communist revolutionaries, but supporting NATO is a pretty big dealbreaker given NATO's imperialist and fascist history. e.g. Several Nazi German officials being put into NATO's government. Gladio and funding of fascist stay-behind groups in the event of Soviet invasion. Yugoslavia. Libya. I certainly want NATO to be destroyed, hopefully from within rather than without to prevent nuclear war, and unfortunately for us, the reactionary state of Russia seems to be the best bet to maybe have that eventually occur. also, stop calling things "wars of aggression" unless you're going to call everything a war of aggression, my god. what an annoying thought-terminating cliche. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Absolutely nobody has said that except you. Very typical lib talking point though. What socialist spaces do you get your news and information from? Any at all? Or do you just immerse yourself in liberal spaces then end up repeating everything they say and wonder why socialists all call you a liberal? Serious question btw. What socialist media and socialist spaces do you actually participate in and follow? How can you possibly consider yourself to have gotten rid of the liberal brainworms you've had your entire life if you continue to immerse yourself within the liberal superstructure? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you all made things pretty clear when you consider that the only thing I've actually done here is make it clear that I don't support Russia in this war and am being blasted for being a "lib" for doing so. You're being delusional. I don't owe you anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago makes claims claims refuted I don't owe you anything. No investigation, no right to speak permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) So I'm not a true socialist unless I support Putin's war of aggression. Got it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) you don't really have to support Putin per se, many of us including myself would feel glee watching him be put up against a wall by communist revolutionaries, but supporting NATO is a pretty big dealbreaker given NATO's imperialist and fascist history. e.g. Several Nazi German officials being put into NATO's government. Gladio and funding of fascist stay-behind groups in the event of Soviet invasion. Yugoslavia. Libya. I certainly want NATO to be destroyed, hopefully from within rather than without to prevent nuclear war, and unfortunately for us, the reactionary state of Russia seems to be the best bet to maybe have that eventually occur. also, stop calling things "wars of aggression" unless you're going to call everything a war of aggression, my god. what an annoying thought-terminating cliche. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Absolutely nobody has said that except you. Very typical lib talking point though. What socialist spaces do you get your news and information from? Any at all? Or do you just immerse yourself in liberal spaces then end up repeating everything they say and wonder why socialists all call you a liberal? Serious question btw. What socialist media and socialist spaces do you actually participate in and follow? How can you possibly consider yourself to have gotten rid of the liberal brainworms you've had your entire life if you continue to immerse yourself within the liberal superstructure? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you all made things pretty clear when you consider that the only thing I've actually done here is make it clear that I don't support Russia in this war and am being blasted for being a "lib" for doing so. You're being delusional. I don't owe you anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago makes claims claims refuted I don't owe you anything. No investigation, no right to speak permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) you don't really have to support Putin per se, many of us including myself would feel glee watching him be put up against a wall by communist revolutionaries, but supporting NATO is a pretty big dealbreaker given NATO's imperialist and fascist history. e.g. Several Nazi German officials being put into NATO's government. Gladio and funding of fascist stay-behind groups in the event of Soviet invasion. Yugoslavia. Libya. I certainly want NATO to be destroyed, hopefully from within rather than without to prevent nuclear war, and unfortunately for us, the reactionary state of Russia seems to be the best bet to maybe have that eventually occur. also, stop calling things "wars of aggression" unless you're going to call everything a war of aggression, my god. what an annoying thought-terminating cliche. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Absolutely nobody has said that except you. Very typical lib talking point though. What socialist spaces do you get your news and information from? Any at all? Or do you just immerse yourself in liberal spaces then end up repeating everything they say and wonder why socialists all call you a liberal? Serious question btw. What socialist media and socialist spaces do you actually participate in and follow? How can you possibly consider yourself to have gotten rid of the liberal brainworms you've had your entire life if you continue to immerse yourself within the liberal superstructure? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you all made things pretty clear when you consider that the only thing I've actually done here is make it clear that I don't support Russia in this war and am being blasted for being a "lib" for doing so. You're being delusional. I don't owe you anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago makes claims claims refuted I don't owe you anything. No investigation, no right to speak permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you all made things pretty clear when you consider that the only thing I've actually done here is make it clear that I don't support Russia in this war and am being blasted for being a "lib" for doing so. You're being delusional. I don't owe you anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago makes claims claims refuted I don't owe you anything. No investigation, no right to speak permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago makes claims claims refuted I don't owe you anything. No investigation, no right to speak permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (2 children) Please respect other users pronouns even if you politically disagree with them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago Thank you ♥️ permalink fedilink source parent [+] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I simply wouldn't use misgendering turns of phrase permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) And not use misgendering language? We all make mistakes at times, it's what happens, and it's fair to ask questions to better understand, but being against it after you've been informed strikes me as silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) The only way I think it can be construed as misgendering language is if the parts of the idiom or turn of phrase are parsed individually, which is exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do with an idiom. If this sentence is misgendering myself, then I'm the Queen of England. I get that this guy is a shithead but pretending that he's also doing something wrong here seems to be playing for some esoteric own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Go off queen" is 100% a thing, which means that "go off king" isn't just a neutral idiomatic expression, but a gendered idiomatic expression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019. It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think ronjonguaido is a shithead, I don't think that it was done on purpose or anything, and I can see what you mean - I didn't myself pick up on it being misgendering language. I think maybe it comes down to intent? I dunno. On the one hand sure there are phrases, but on the other, maybe we should question the gendering of idioms? Way out of my league tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago Then go ahead, we're all waiting permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago Just "but go off" would work perfectly well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago There's a lot of gendered turns of phrases, which doesn't necessarily make them acceptable. I make a lot of mistakes myself it's alright, it's what happens. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's a turn of phrase. Wait until you find out that "go off queen" is also a thing. I wonder why "go off king" and "go off queen" has to both exist. Could it be that this idiomatic expression is a gendered one and that using the expression on someone who doesn't identify with that gender is a form of misgendering? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I haven't seen either of these phrases, but in my experience even when something is supposed to be the equivalent versions of each other, it somehow feels different to hear and say. Like, it feels alright to call my group of friends "bros" but not "sisses." Could it be that "go off queen" and "go off king" have different connotations despite the fact that they should mean the same thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason that one version of the "go off" phrase (identical in every way to the other except for one word that specifies gender) might feel to you like it has different connotations is because we live in a patriarchal society that doesn't assign value the same across all genders. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as a misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. I wanted to give a couple of other examples too, but that's just what I thought of at the moment. "Hey guys" or "hey dudes" also works though. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. When did I say or insinuate that it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I simply wouldn't use misgendering turns of phrase permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) And not use misgendering language? We all make mistakes at times, it's what happens, and it's fair to ask questions to better understand, but being against it after you've been informed strikes me as silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) The only way I think it can be construed as misgendering language is if the parts of the idiom or turn of phrase are parsed individually, which is exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do with an idiom. If this sentence is misgendering myself, then I'm the Queen of England. I get that this guy is a shithead but pretending that he's also doing something wrong here seems to be playing for some esoteric own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Go off queen" is 100% a thing, which means that "go off king" isn't just a neutral idiomatic expression, but a gendered idiomatic expression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019. It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think ronjonguaido is a shithead, I don't think that it was done on purpose or anything, and I can see what you mean - I didn't myself pick up on it being misgendering language. I think maybe it comes down to intent? I dunno. On the one hand sure there are phrases, but on the other, maybe we should question the gendering of idioms? Way out of my league tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago Then go ahead, we're all waiting permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago Just "but go off" would work perfectly well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago There's a lot of gendered turns of phrases, which doesn't necessarily make them acceptable. I make a lot of mistakes myself it's alright, it's what happens. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's a turn of phrase. Wait until you find out that "go off queen" is also a thing. I wonder why "go off king" and "go off queen" has to both exist. Could it be that this idiomatic expression is a gendered one and that using the expression on someone who doesn't identify with that gender is a form of misgendering? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I haven't seen either of these phrases, but in my experience even when something is supposed to be the equivalent versions of each other, it somehow feels different to hear and say. Like, it feels alright to call my group of friends "bros" but not "sisses." Could it be that "go off queen" and "go off king" have different connotations despite the fact that they should mean the same thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason that one version of the "go off" phrase (identical in every way to the other except for one word that specifies gender) might feel to you like it has different connotations is because we live in a patriarchal society that doesn't assign value the same across all genders. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as a misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. I wanted to give a couple of other examples too, but that's just what I thought of at the moment. "Hey guys" or "hey dudes" also works though. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. When did I say or insinuate that it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I simply wouldn't use misgendering turns of phrase permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) And not use misgendering language? We all make mistakes at times, it's what happens, and it's fair to ask questions to better understand, but being against it after you've been informed strikes me as silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) The only way I think it can be construed as misgendering language is if the parts of the idiom or turn of phrase are parsed individually, which is exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do with an idiom. If this sentence is misgendering myself, then I'm the Queen of England. I get that this guy is a shithead but pretending that he's also doing something wrong here seems to be playing for some esoteric own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Go off queen" is 100% a thing, which means that "go off king" isn't just a neutral idiomatic expression, but a gendered idiomatic expression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019. It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think ronjonguaido is a shithead, I don't think that it was done on purpose or anything, and I can see what you mean - I didn't myself pick up on it being misgendering language. I think maybe it comes down to intent? I dunno. On the one hand sure there are phrases, but on the other, maybe we should question the gendering of idioms? Way out of my league tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago Then go ahead, we're all waiting permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) And not use misgendering language? We all make mistakes at times, it's what happens, and it's fair to ask questions to better understand, but being against it after you've been informed strikes me as silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) The only way I think it can be construed as misgendering language is if the parts of the idiom or turn of phrase are parsed individually, which is exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do with an idiom. If this sentence is misgendering myself, then I'm the Queen of England. I get that this guy is a shithead but pretending that he's also doing something wrong here seems to be playing for some esoteric own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Go off queen" is 100% a thing, which means that "go off king" isn't just a neutral idiomatic expression, but a gendered idiomatic expression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019. It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think ronjonguaido is a shithead, I don't think that it was done on purpose or anything, and I can see what you mean - I didn't myself pick up on it being misgendering language. I think maybe it comes down to intent? I dunno. On the one hand sure there are phrases, but on the other, maybe we should question the gendering of idioms? Way out of my league tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago Then go ahead, we're all waiting permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) And not use misgendering language? We all make mistakes at times, it's what happens, and it's fair to ask questions to better understand, but being against it after you've been informed strikes me as silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) The only way I think it can be construed as misgendering language is if the parts of the idiom or turn of phrase are parsed individually, which is exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do with an idiom. If this sentence is misgendering myself, then I'm the Queen of England. I get that this guy is a shithead but pretending that he's also doing something wrong here seems to be playing for some esoteric own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Go off queen" is 100% a thing, which means that "go off king" isn't just a neutral idiomatic expression, but a gendered idiomatic expression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019. It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think ronjonguaido is a shithead, I don't think that it was done on purpose or anything, and I can see what you mean - I didn't myself pick up on it being misgendering language. I think maybe it comes down to intent? I dunno. On the one hand sure there are phrases, but on the other, maybe we should question the gendering of idioms? Way out of my league tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) The only way I think it can be construed as misgendering language is if the parts of the idiom or turn of phrase are parsed individually, which is exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do with an idiom. If this sentence is misgendering myself, then I'm the Queen of England. I get that this guy is a shithead but pretending that he's also doing something wrong here seems to be playing for some esoteric own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Go off queen" is 100% a thing, which means that "go off king" isn't just a neutral idiomatic expression, but a gendered idiomatic expression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019. It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think ronjonguaido is a shithead, I don't think that it was done on purpose or anything, and I can see what you mean - I didn't myself pick up on it being misgendering language. I think maybe it comes down to intent? I dunno. On the one hand sure there are phrases, but on the other, maybe we should question the gendering of idioms? Way out of my league tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Go off queen" is 100% a thing, which means that "go off king" isn't just a neutral idiomatic expression, but a gendered idiomatic expression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019. It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019. It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think ronjonguaido is a shithead, I don't think that it was done on purpose or anything, and I can see what you mean - I didn't myself pick up on it being misgendering language. I think maybe it comes down to intent? I dunno. On the one hand sure there are phrases, but on the other, maybe we should question the gendering of idioms? Way out of my league tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago Then go ahead, we're all waiting permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago Just "but go off" would work perfectly well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago There's a lot of gendered turns of phrases, which doesn't necessarily make them acceptable. I make a lot of mistakes myself it's alright, it's what happens. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's a turn of phrase. Wait until you find out that "go off queen" is also a thing. I wonder why "go off king" and "go off queen" has to both exist. Could it be that this idiomatic expression is a gendered one and that using the expression on someone who doesn't identify with that gender is a form of misgendering? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I haven't seen either of these phrases, but in my experience even when something is supposed to be the equivalent versions of each other, it somehow feels different to hear and say. Like, it feels alright to call my group of friends "bros" but not "sisses." Could it be that "go off queen" and "go off king" have different connotations despite the fact that they should mean the same thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason that one version of the "go off" phrase (identical in every way to the other except for one word that specifies gender) might feel to you like it has different connotations is because we live in a patriarchal society that doesn't assign value the same across all genders. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as a misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. I wanted to give a couple of other examples too, but that's just what I thought of at the moment. "Hey guys" or "hey dudes" also works though. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. When did I say or insinuate that it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I haven't seen either of these phrases, but in my experience even when something is supposed to be the equivalent versions of each other, it somehow feels different to hear and say. Like, it feels alright to call my group of friends "bros" but not "sisses." Could it be that "go off queen" and "go off king" have different connotations despite the fact that they should mean the same thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason that one version of the "go off" phrase (identical in every way to the other except for one word that specifies gender) might feel to you like it has different connotations is because we live in a patriarchal society that doesn't assign value the same across all genders. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as a misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. I wanted to give a couple of other examples too, but that's just what I thought of at the moment. "Hey guys" or "hey dudes" also works though. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. When did I say or insinuate that it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason that one version of the "go off" phrase (identical in every way to the other except for one word that specifies gender) might feel to you like it has different connotations is because we live in a patriarchal society that doesn't assign value the same across all genders. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as a misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. I wanted to give a couple of other examples too, but that's just what I thought of at the moment. "Hey guys" or "hey dudes" also works though. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. When did I say or insinuate that it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago And your example is really weird and obscures what's actually at issue. The difference in meaning between the words "bros" and "sissies" goes way beyond just a difference in gender. One is a common and generally affectionate term that men call each other when being friendly. The other is most often used as a misogynistic term to insult men by disparaging their masculinity. I wanted to give a couple of other examples too, but that's just what I thought of at the moment. "Hey guys" or "hey dudes" also works though. That's not an excuse to use the version of that phrase which misgenders someone. When did I say or insinuate that it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago Couldn't resist that misgendering urge huh? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, you arent. You are repeating imperialist talking points permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Again, all I said was I support Ukraine and call out deliberate disinformation. You guys seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago You support a Nazi country that works with imperialists. You aren’t a socialist, but nothing more than a Fox News watching liberal permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Again, all I said was I support Ukraine and call out deliberate disinformation. You guys seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago You support a Nazi country that works with imperialists. You aren’t a socialist, but nothing more than a Fox News watching liberal permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago You support a Nazi country that works with imperialists. You aren’t a socialist, but nothing more than a Fox News watching liberal permalink fedilink source parent