▲ 787 ▼ Australia bans social media for under 16s (www.theverge.com) submitted 2 years ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to c/technology@lemmy.world 224 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Magister@lemmy.world 153 points 2 years ago (2 children) teen go to website please enter your birthdate 1/1/2000 welcome! permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 48 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Lawyer sues tech company But we asked for the birthday Lawyer points to law text Company fined permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (4 children) I don't see many options between asking for a birthdate and asking for ID for this problem. I don't see any way that this can be enforced that isn't problematic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Facebook/Meta has developed software to estimate the age from a video. I don’t see any way that this can be enforced that isn’t problematic. Comes with the territory. The point is to control who has access to what information so that they don't get wrong ideas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago if you think AI software will be able to differentiate between a 15 year old and 16 year old then I have this cool bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in. This is delusional to the point where it feels like we're literally devolving. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 11 points 2 years ago Trusting your face to Facebook is just as terrifying, thanks. (Plus I have concerns as someone who still looks teenage in her 20s) permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I don’t see many options between asking for a birthdate and asking for ID for this problem. I don’t see any way that this can be enforced that isn’t problematic. The senate inquiry outlined the two likely solutions : Uploading ID to the website. 3D face scanning. This will include continual monitoring so if another person comes into view they will have to face scan in. Remember, its prohibited for chidren to even watch prohibited content with their parents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago Lol those options harm children permalink fedilink source parent [–] copd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago How can it possibly be legal to 3D face scan a child, especially if it needs to be authenticated by a remote server somewhere. I can only ever see option 1 working permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) A large part of this will help maintain liability for harm to young people. How ages is verified is irrelevant permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How ages are verified are irrelevant? Until a whole collection of faces or government IDs inevitably leaks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you over 16: Yes/No. That wasnt difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If this would indeed be the case, I would be really happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They have no specified otherwise so its a case of why would they waste money doing otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago To avoid said potential liability? Or because the law would include actual enforcement, like it was proposed at least in some places? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clanket@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Problematic for who, the tech companies? They're practically printing money. Let them spend it on actual solutions to issues that are causing problems for the World. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It forces them to implement solutions that make having anonymous accounts impossible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago it's not a problem that can be solved by tech. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago Problematic for the children who are having their rights taken away. This change bans children from connecting with their friends in other countries, other states, and even other cities. Even something as simple as hopping in a voice call with your squad to play Deep Rock Galactic is now illegal for 15 year olds. That's ridiculous. The fact that they can break the law is great, but they shouldn't have to break the law in order to do something so harmless. What about using Zoom to speak to a doctor or therapist? What about contacting queer support resources through social media? What about using a text based suicide hotline? According to the law, that's social media. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago I'm well old enough to satisfy these checks and I also do this. If I'm feeling productive, I'll pick a random date. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 48 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Lawyer sues tech company But we asked for the birthday Lawyer points to law text Company fined permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (4 children) I don't see many options between asking for a birthdate and asking for ID for this problem. I don't see any way that this can be enforced that isn't problematic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Facebook/Meta has developed software to estimate the age from a video. I don’t see any way that this can be enforced that isn’t problematic. Comes with the territory. The point is to control who has access to what information so that they don't get wrong ideas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago if you think AI software will be able to differentiate between a 15 year old and 16 year old then I have this cool bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in. This is delusional to the point where it feels like we're literally devolving. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 11 points 2 years ago Trusting your face to Facebook is just as terrifying, thanks. (Plus I have concerns as someone who still looks teenage in her 20s) permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I don’t see many options between asking for a birthdate and asking for ID for this problem. I don’t see any way that this can be enforced that isn’t problematic. The senate inquiry outlined the two likely solutions : Uploading ID to the website. 3D face scanning. This will include continual monitoring so if another person comes into view they will have to face scan in. Remember, its prohibited for chidren to even watch prohibited content with their parents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago Lol those options harm children permalink fedilink source parent [–] copd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago How can it possibly be legal to 3D face scan a child, especially if it needs to be authenticated by a remote server somewhere. I can only ever see option 1 working permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) A large part of this will help maintain liability for harm to young people. How ages is verified is irrelevant permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How ages are verified are irrelevant? Until a whole collection of faces or government IDs inevitably leaks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you over 16: Yes/No. That wasnt difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If this would indeed be the case, I would be really happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They have no specified otherwise so its a case of why would they waste money doing otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago To avoid said potential liability? Or because the law would include actual enforcement, like it was proposed at least in some places? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clanket@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Problematic for who, the tech companies? They're practically printing money. Let them spend it on actual solutions to issues that are causing problems for the World. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It forces them to implement solutions that make having anonymous accounts impossible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago it's not a problem that can be solved by tech. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago Problematic for the children who are having their rights taken away. This change bans children from connecting with their friends in other countries, other states, and even other cities. Even something as simple as hopping in a voice call with your squad to play Deep Rock Galactic is now illegal for 15 year olds. That's ridiculous. The fact that they can break the law is great, but they shouldn't have to break the law in order to do something so harmless. What about using Zoom to speak to a doctor or therapist? What about contacting queer support resources through social media? What about using a text based suicide hotline? According to the law, that's social media. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (4 children) I don't see many options between asking for a birthdate and asking for ID for this problem. I don't see any way that this can be enforced that isn't problematic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Facebook/Meta has developed software to estimate the age from a video. I don’t see any way that this can be enforced that isn’t problematic. Comes with the territory. The point is to control who has access to what information so that they don't get wrong ideas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago if you think AI software will be able to differentiate between a 15 year old and 16 year old then I have this cool bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in. This is delusional to the point where it feels like we're literally devolving. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 11 points 2 years ago Trusting your face to Facebook is just as terrifying, thanks. (Plus I have concerns as someone who still looks teenage in her 20s) permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I don’t see many options between asking for a birthdate and asking for ID for this problem. I don’t see any way that this can be enforced that isn’t problematic. The senate inquiry outlined the two likely solutions : Uploading ID to the website. 3D face scanning. This will include continual monitoring so if another person comes into view they will have to face scan in. Remember, its prohibited for chidren to even watch prohibited content with their parents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago Lol those options harm children permalink fedilink source parent [–] copd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago How can it possibly be legal to 3D face scan a child, especially if it needs to be authenticated by a remote server somewhere. I can only ever see option 1 working permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) A large part of this will help maintain liability for harm to young people. How ages is verified is irrelevant permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How ages are verified are irrelevant? Until a whole collection of faces or government IDs inevitably leaks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you over 16: Yes/No. That wasnt difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If this would indeed be the case, I would be really happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They have no specified otherwise so its a case of why would they waste money doing otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago To avoid said potential liability? Or because the law would include actual enforcement, like it was proposed at least in some places? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clanket@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Problematic for who, the tech companies? They're practically printing money. Let them spend it on actual solutions to issues that are causing problems for the World. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It forces them to implement solutions that make having anonymous accounts impossible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago it's not a problem that can be solved by tech. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago Problematic for the children who are having their rights taken away. This change bans children from connecting with their friends in other countries, other states, and even other cities. Even something as simple as hopping in a voice call with your squad to play Deep Rock Galactic is now illegal for 15 year olds. That's ridiculous. The fact that they can break the law is great, but they shouldn't have to break the law in order to do something so harmless. What about using Zoom to speak to a doctor or therapist? What about contacting queer support resources through social media? What about using a text based suicide hotline? According to the law, that's social media. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Facebook/Meta has developed software to estimate the age from a video. I don’t see any way that this can be enforced that isn’t problematic. Comes with the territory. The point is to control who has access to what information so that they don't get wrong ideas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago if you think AI software will be able to differentiate between a 15 year old and 16 year old then I have this cool bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in. This is delusional to the point where it feels like we're literally devolving. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 11 points 2 years ago Trusting your face to Facebook is just as terrifying, thanks. (Plus I have concerns as someone who still looks teenage in her 20s) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago if you think AI software will be able to differentiate between a 15 year old and 16 year old then I have this cool bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in. This is delusional to the point where it feels like we're literally devolving. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 11 points 2 years ago Trusting your face to Facebook is just as terrifying, thanks. (Plus I have concerns as someone who still looks teenage in her 20s) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I don’t see many options between asking for a birthdate and asking for ID for this problem. I don’t see any way that this can be enforced that isn’t problematic. The senate inquiry outlined the two likely solutions : Uploading ID to the website. 3D face scanning. This will include continual monitoring so if another person comes into view they will have to face scan in. Remember, its prohibited for chidren to even watch prohibited content with their parents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago Lol those options harm children permalink fedilink source parent [–] copd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago How can it possibly be legal to 3D face scan a child, especially if it needs to be authenticated by a remote server somewhere. I can only ever see option 1 working permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago Lol those options harm children permalink fedilink source parent
[–] copd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago How can it possibly be legal to 3D face scan a child, especially if it needs to be authenticated by a remote server somewhere. I can only ever see option 1 working permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) A large part of this will help maintain liability for harm to young people. How ages is verified is irrelevant permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How ages are verified are irrelevant? Until a whole collection of faces or government IDs inevitably leaks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you over 16: Yes/No. That wasnt difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If this would indeed be the case, I would be really happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They have no specified otherwise so its a case of why would they waste money doing otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago To avoid said potential liability? Or because the law would include actual enforcement, like it was proposed at least in some places? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How ages are verified are irrelevant? Until a whole collection of faces or government IDs inevitably leaks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you over 16: Yes/No. That wasnt difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If this would indeed be the case, I would be really happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They have no specified otherwise so its a case of why would they waste money doing otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago To avoid said potential liability? Or because the law would include actual enforcement, like it was proposed at least in some places? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you over 16: Yes/No. That wasnt difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If this would indeed be the case, I would be really happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They have no specified otherwise so its a case of why would they waste money doing otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago To avoid said potential liability? Or because the law would include actual enforcement, like it was proposed at least in some places? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If this would indeed be the case, I would be really happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They have no specified otherwise so its a case of why would they waste money doing otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago To avoid said potential liability? Or because the law would include actual enforcement, like it was proposed at least in some places? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They have no specified otherwise so its a case of why would they waste money doing otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago To avoid said potential liability? Or because the law would include actual enforcement, like it was proposed at least in some places? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago To avoid said potential liability? Or because the law would include actual enforcement, like it was proposed at least in some places? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Clanket@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Problematic for who, the tech companies? They're practically printing money. Let them spend it on actual solutions to issues that are causing problems for the World. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It forces them to implement solutions that make having anonymous accounts impossible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago it's not a problem that can be solved by tech. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago Problematic for the children who are having their rights taken away. This change bans children from connecting with their friends in other countries, other states, and even other cities. Even something as simple as hopping in a voice call with your squad to play Deep Rock Galactic is now illegal for 15 year olds. That's ridiculous. The fact that they can break the law is great, but they shouldn't have to break the law in order to do something so harmless. What about using Zoom to speak to a doctor or therapist? What about contacting queer support resources through social media? What about using a text based suicide hotline? According to the law, that's social media. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago It forces them to implement solutions that make having anonymous accounts impossible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago it's not a problem that can be solved by tech. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago Problematic for the children who are having their rights taken away. This change bans children from connecting with their friends in other countries, other states, and even other cities. Even something as simple as hopping in a voice call with your squad to play Deep Rock Galactic is now illegal for 15 year olds. That's ridiculous. The fact that they can break the law is great, but they shouldn't have to break the law in order to do something so harmless. What about using Zoom to speak to a doctor or therapist? What about contacting queer support resources through social media? What about using a text based suicide hotline? According to the law, that's social media. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago I'm well old enough to satisfy these checks and I also do this. If I'm feeling productive, I'll pick a random date. permalink fedilink source parent