▲ 295 ▼ N.J. worker loses job after objecting to surveillance camera pointed at her desk, lawsuit says (www.nj.com) submitted 2 years ago by lemmee_in@lemm.ee to c/privacy@programming.dev 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] echolalia@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 years ago Counterpoint: all of those jobs have workers who know they are being filmed. This was done without this woman's consent, secretly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpeedLimit55@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Laws can vary but generally video recording is allowed in US states except in private areas like bathrooms and changing rooms. Audio recording laws vary by state laws (single party consent). In most offices it is normal to have cameras watching doors and common areas but not individual workers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago but not individual workers. And this is where it crossed the line here. Targeting individuals... Is not going to work out for you in court. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* IDK, this case seems really complicated. First, it's a state agency, not a private employer. And there is a difference between a camera in a public space and a camera pointed directly at an individual in a private office. The entire point of having an office in the first place is that it provides some level of privacy. If an employer doesn't want to give their employees any privacy, they can have them work in an open-plan office. At least in that case, the employees will naturally feel exposed in a public space and will act accordingly. But a private office? That naturally encourages people to perform behaviors they wouldn't perform in public. You might not take a phone call from your doctor in an open plan office, but it wouldn't be unusual to take one in a private office. I get that plenty of other employers have cameras. But there are some very key differences between cashiers and someone working in a government office. The cashier works for a private employer, and thus constitutional protections aren't applicable. And cashiers are literally standing in a big room interacting with the public; it's obvious that privacy is not implied. But if you, as an employer, put someone in a space that implies they'll have privacy, but then secretly record them? Yeah, that could fall afoul of some privacy laws. I don't really know if they have a case or not. But the fact that an employment attorney was likely willing to take the case on contingency suggests that the case is, at the very least, not frivolous. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CityPop@lemmy.today 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Upper managers allegedly justified the camera’s installation as a security measure to monitor individuals attending Alcoholics Anonymous meetings in the office, according to the suit, which also claims that video recording of AA members at a meeting is illegal. Is this about theft tho? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They do by counting the money at different points in the day like shift changes and close... I had this happen once when I worked at a shitty movie theater I misplaced 20 bucks and for the next two weeks they followed me around doing random tasks... At the time I thought they were really stupid and I mean it was... But now a long time later I know they wanted me to quit but wouldn't fire me... I showed them I didn't have the money but whatever they do check is all in saying permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echolalia@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 years ago Counterpoint: all of those jobs have workers who know they are being filmed. This was done without this woman's consent, secretly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpeedLimit55@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Laws can vary but generally video recording is allowed in US states except in private areas like bathrooms and changing rooms. Audio recording laws vary by state laws (single party consent). In most offices it is normal to have cameras watching doors and common areas but not individual workers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago but not individual workers. And this is where it crossed the line here. Targeting individuals... Is not going to work out for you in court. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago but not individual workers. And this is where it crossed the line here. Targeting individuals... Is not going to work out for you in court. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* IDK, this case seems really complicated. First, it's a state agency, not a private employer. And there is a difference between a camera in a public space and a camera pointed directly at an individual in a private office. The entire point of having an office in the first place is that it provides some level of privacy. If an employer doesn't want to give their employees any privacy, they can have them work in an open-plan office. At least in that case, the employees will naturally feel exposed in a public space and will act accordingly. But a private office? That naturally encourages people to perform behaviors they wouldn't perform in public. You might not take a phone call from your doctor in an open plan office, but it wouldn't be unusual to take one in a private office. I get that plenty of other employers have cameras. But there are some very key differences between cashiers and someone working in a government office. The cashier works for a private employer, and thus constitutional protections aren't applicable. And cashiers are literally standing in a big room interacting with the public; it's obvious that privacy is not implied. But if you, as an employer, put someone in a space that implies they'll have privacy, but then secretly record them? Yeah, that could fall afoul of some privacy laws. I don't really know if they have a case or not. But the fact that an employment attorney was likely willing to take the case on contingency suggests that the case is, at the very least, not frivolous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CityPop@lemmy.today 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Upper managers allegedly justified the camera’s installation as a security measure to monitor individuals attending Alcoholics Anonymous meetings in the office, according to the suit, which also claims that video recording of AA members at a meeting is illegal. Is this about theft tho? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They do by counting the money at different points in the day like shift changes and close... I had this happen once when I worked at a shitty movie theater I misplaced 20 bucks and for the next two weeks they followed me around doing random tasks... At the time I thought they were really stupid and I mean it was... But now a long time later I know they wanted me to quit but wouldn't fire me... I showed them I didn't have the money but whatever they do check is all in saying permalink fedilink source parent