▲ 959 ▼ Ballet star Vladimir Shklyarov who criticised Putin’s Ukraine invasion dies in fall from building in St Petersburg (www.lbc.co.uk) submitted 2 years ago by ZeroCool@slrpnk.net to c/world@lemmy.world 132 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -128 points 2 years ago (9 children) Unfortunately anti-russian racism is acceptable here. When you see a headline like this, just be ready for the comments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] karobeccary@lemmy.world 103 points 2 years ago Gallows humor about the suspicious deaths of people critical of an oligarchy is not racism. Unless you are a wilfully credulous root vegetable of a person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wiz@midwest.social 38 points 2 years ago (1 child) Russia isn't a race. It's a failed state, ruled by a corrupt dictator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago Just like America in a couple months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lightor@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) What exactly was racist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago And who said it's funny. I'm confused permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not racism to point out that a surprising number of Putin critics have died from falling from tall buildings. Vladimir Shklyarov: https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/vladimir-shklyarov-death-st-petersburg-ballet-star-fall/ Dan Rapoport: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/08/26/dan-rapoport-putin-critic-was-it-suicide-00053836 Pavel Antov: https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-critic-pavel-antov-dies-falling-out-hotel-window-2022-12 Ravil Maganov: https://news.sky.com/story/poisoned-jailed-and-mysterious-fall-from-window-whats-happened-to-vladimir-putins-most-vocal-critics-13066825 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anzo@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago* I think the comment meant to point out that these humorous take on a tragedy are only accepted as part of a russiophobic perspective. I tend to agree, although I don't find it offensive I understand that similar comments on for example, the killing of a ukranian ballet dancer, would be seen differently by all of us. Hence, the xenophobia. Ukranian is western and we relate. "The last thing a fish notices is the existance of water" Just changing the victim nationality makes it palatable for jokes, that's something that calls for observation permalink fedilink source parent [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] angrystego@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I agree this isn't racism against Russians. But also, let's not be pedantic. A nation can be discriminated against, any group of people can be. That's what they meant by racism. They used it more broadly and that's ok, I'm sure even you understood what they meant. What term would you use to be more precise? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're trying to convince the person who agreed in the first place, this isn't discriminatory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) TIL Russian is a race permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You need to update your vocabulary comrade. There may be new definitions of the word racism. Remember literally no longer only literally means literally. What a time we live in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GeneralInterest@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Criticising a government isn't racism. If you criticise a country's government it doesn't mean you hate every person who lives in that country. permalink fedilink source parent [–] capital@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* Pro-Russian comment meant to wield the left’s propensity to over-diagnose racism to redirect and distract. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I'd more call it politicism, as it's more criticizing the political state and not someones origin/heritage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] karobeccary@lemmy.world 103 points 2 years ago Gallows humor about the suspicious deaths of people critical of an oligarchy is not racism. Unless you are a wilfully credulous root vegetable of a person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wiz@midwest.social 38 points 2 years ago (1 child) Russia isn't a race. It's a failed state, ruled by a corrupt dictator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago Just like America in a couple months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago Just like America in a couple months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) What exactly was racist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago And who said it's funny. I'm confused permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago And who said it's funny. I'm confused permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not racism to point out that a surprising number of Putin critics have died from falling from tall buildings. Vladimir Shklyarov: https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/vladimir-shklyarov-death-st-petersburg-ballet-star-fall/ Dan Rapoport: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/08/26/dan-rapoport-putin-critic-was-it-suicide-00053836 Pavel Antov: https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-critic-pavel-antov-dies-falling-out-hotel-window-2022-12 Ravil Maganov: https://news.sky.com/story/poisoned-jailed-and-mysterious-fall-from-window-whats-happened-to-vladimir-putins-most-vocal-critics-13066825 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anzo@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago* I think the comment meant to point out that these humorous take on a tragedy are only accepted as part of a russiophobic perspective. I tend to agree, although I don't find it offensive I understand that similar comments on for example, the killing of a ukranian ballet dancer, would be seen differently by all of us. Hence, the xenophobia. Ukranian is western and we relate. "The last thing a fish notices is the existance of water" Just changing the victim nationality makes it palatable for jokes, that's something that calls for observation permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anzo@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago* I think the comment meant to point out that these humorous take on a tragedy are only accepted as part of a russiophobic perspective. I tend to agree, although I don't find it offensive I understand that similar comments on for example, the killing of a ukranian ballet dancer, would be seen differently by all of us. Hence, the xenophobia. Ukranian is western and we relate. "The last thing a fish notices is the existance of water" Just changing the victim nationality makes it palatable for jokes, that's something that calls for observation permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] angrystego@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I agree this isn't racism against Russians. But also, let's not be pedantic. A nation can be discriminated against, any group of people can be. That's what they meant by racism. They used it more broadly and that's ok, I'm sure even you understood what they meant. What term would you use to be more precise? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're trying to convince the person who agreed in the first place, this isn't discriminatory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I agree this isn't racism against Russians. But also, let's not be pedantic. A nation can be discriminated against, any group of people can be. That's what they meant by racism. They used it more broadly and that's ok, I'm sure even you understood what they meant. What term would you use to be more precise? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're trying to convince the person who agreed in the first place, this isn't discriminatory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're trying to convince the person who agreed in the first place, this isn't discriminatory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're trying to convince the person who agreed in the first place, this isn't discriminatory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) TIL Russian is a race permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You need to update your vocabulary comrade. There may be new definitions of the word racism. Remember literally no longer only literally means literally. What a time we live in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You need to update your vocabulary comrade. There may be new definitions of the word racism. Remember literally no longer only literally means literally. What a time we live in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GeneralInterest@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Criticising a government isn't racism. If you criticise a country's government it doesn't mean you hate every person who lives in that country. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] capital@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* Pro-Russian comment meant to wield the left’s propensity to over-diagnose racism to redirect and distract. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I'd more call it politicism, as it's more criticizing the political state and not someones origin/heritage. permalink fedilink source parent