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IAEA chief says German return to nuclear power is 'logical' (www.dw.com)
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Rafael Grossi, head of the IAEA, called Germany's decision to fully phase out nuclear power "illogical," noting it is the only country to have done so.

Despite the completed phase-out in 2023, there is renewed debate in Germany about reviving nuclear energy due to its low greenhouse gas emissions.

Speaking at COP29, Grossi described reconsidering nuclear as a "rational" choice, especially given global interest in nuclear for emissions reduction.

Germany’s phase-out, driven by environmental concerns and past nuclear disasters, has been criticized for increasing reliance on Russian gas and missing carbon reduction opportunities.

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[–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

And I think, you have absolutely no idea how incredibly expensive nuclear power is.

Solar power is literally free during the day in Germany right now. Investing a few hundred million in storage is much much much cheaper and easier to scale than building a nuclear power plant that will only start producing energy in 20 years or so.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And I think, you have absolutely no idea how incredibly expensive nuclear power is.

    Less expensive than whatever the fuck we've been doing with our climate these last 100 years. But those aren't direct costs, so who the hell cares.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And that refutes what argument?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The costs of climate change are costs the people and our governments have to bear; just look at the billions in damage done by the recent hurricanes.

    Those costs are a subsidy to the "cheap" fossil fuels we've been using. In fact, fossil fuels receive a ton of subsidies upfront too. Nuclear can be subsidised too.

    I don't have faith our governments will switch to 100% renewable, and any fossil fuel is too much fossil fuel given how far we have already gone. We need to actively start scrubbing CO2 out of the atmosphere, and we're going to need as much power as we can generate for that.

    Nuclear is expensive because it's relatively rare. Economies of scale don't apply to it as is. If we start building, it will become cheaper. Not cheap, perhaps, but cheaper. And it's a cost worth paying. We are already paying the price for the "cheap" fossil fuels.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I don't have faith our governments will switch to 100% renewable,

    But you have faith they will be responsible for a nuclear power plant and won't allow any shortcuts in maintenance and keep it safe?

    We need to actively start scrubbing CO2 out of the atmosphere, and we're going to need as much power as we can generate for that.

    Technical scrubbing is way to inefficient. It is powers of magnitude more efficient to invest in plants which build up the humus layer of fields, you can store way more CO2 that way.

    Nuclear is expensive because it's relatively rare. Economies of scale don't apply to it as is. If we start building, it will become cheaper. Not cheap, perhaps, but cheaper. And it's a cost worth paying. We are already paying the price for the "cheap" fossil fuels.

    But if we spend the same amount of money for renewables+storage we get more power per dollar.

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