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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Okay first things first, I never said Russia was controlled by its enemies,

Explain that to the FSB officer.

But first, stop defending Nazis!

I never defended Nazis, and you have yet to make an argument that doesn't bog down to "I hate that /u/barsoap is right about symbols". It's you who's trivialising the term.

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[–] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

I’m not trivializing anything.

You are saying that azov battalion using the wolfsangel is not a nazi symbol.

It’s a defense of Nazis because you’re providing cover for the spread of their ideology. You need to stop defending Nazis.

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Ok you've got me. Now show me where Azov is spreading Nazi ideology. Post-2015. I'm waiting.

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[–] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

What would you call wearing and waving a Nazi symbol?

Stop defending Nazis!

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

It's not a Nazi symbol. Are Motorhead fans Nazis because they wear Iron Crosses?

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[–] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

What’s not a Nazi symbol, the wolfsangel (which you agreed was a Nazi symbol in the context of a right wing militia just a few days ago) or the black sun (whose removal you claimed was semiotic denazification enough)?

Instead of making me dredge up terrible things you’ve said, why not just stop defending Nazis?

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Azov isn't a Nazi org any more, thus the Wolfsangel is fine. Because there was more than semiotic denazification. You also can't be publicly/actively racist or homophobic and whatever inside Azov Ukraine really cracked down on associated politics as a whole. As said: If Azov was still a Nazi org, why did so many Nazis leave?

And are you seriously asking whether the black sun is a Nazi symbol. The SS used it in an esoteric context, the only other use I'm aware of is use esotericists using it as a specific symbol of evil, "a nightmare that feels like paradise while you're asleep", but that's an obscure corner of an obscure corner. Also, based as fuck.

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[–] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago

Of course I’m not asking. I’m responding to your assertion that after 2015 azov wasn’t spreading nazism. They clearly were both incubating and spreading it during that time. I chose the example most apropos to our discussion and brought up their semiotics. You said it (without specification) wasn’t a nazi symbol and I asked which of the two nazi symbols wasn’t one.

So, stop providing cover for the spread of Nazism. Stop defending Nazis.

Now how many Nazis can a group have before the wolfsangel is a problem? We agree that Nazis use it as a dogwhistle, we agree that in the context of a far right militia it’s clearly Nazi imagery. Is it half? If your group is half Nazis you get a pass? One quarter? One singular Nazi? I’d argue that since the context is a far right militia that just fucking last year claimed to have “denazified” the number is zero. You can’t use the same imagery you used last year to appeal to Nazis and credibly claim that it’s different now.

I say that because I’m not gullible and I don’t defend Nazis.