▲ 1548 ▼ Touchscreens Are Out, and Tactile Controls Are Back (spectrum.ieee.org) submitted 2 years ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world 344 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fucking finally. Now make cars look like cars again. Last 30 years has been a parade of Jellybeans and Electric Shavers. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Peffse@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) What I care more about is making cars... cars. Visit a dealership in the US and it's 98% SUV/Truck and 2% sedans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) I just want cheap economy shitboxes back. User serviceable ones. Without an extra half ton of plastic and unnecessary electronics. Bring back wind up windows and normal radios. Vinyl seats. Hell, bench seats. Wind up windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Peffse@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) The lowest tech car I could find was the Mitsubishi Mirage G4, and they told me it's being discontinued this year! I think that leaves the Nissan Versa as the only subcompact entry-level vehicle on the market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Which is beyond insane. People are broke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I just got a leaf permalink fedilink source parent [–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) My old early 2000s Ford focus that had manual windows and locks died a few years ago. I miss that car, but towards the end every door handle broke and only the back passenger door opened from the outside... which means I always I had to leave a window down(no key hole on that door) or climb through the trunk. Unfortunately Ford decided to make car doors using a tiny piece of plastic that holds the wire that moves when you pull the handle. When that breaks the handle goes limp and does nothing. But you can't just replace that piece of plastic... nope. You have to buy a whole new internal mechanism. Like i said that car died finally, but I'm still salty about the doors. Those broke one at a time about 5-10 years before the engine went. Anyway, sorry about the rant. I loved my not electric windows and doors, but never expected that issue with it down the road. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Can confirm, I used to daily an 07 focus and it went through door handles like tires permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zerthax@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most "SUVs" are actually crossovers. Which are just hatchbacks, wagons, and non-sliding door minivans. Take an Impreza hatchback and lift it 3 inches, and suddenly it's an "SUV." But yeah, sedans w/trunks are becoming a bit of a rarity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Peffse@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Yeah, Subaru is getting rid of the Legacy sedan in 2025 and keeping the Impreza hatchback because the Impreza shares parts with their larger SUVs. The Legacy doesn't, so it makes them more money to get rid of the car. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hubi@feddit.org 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Modern cars are designed in wind tunnels. We'll never get the cool designs back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) We still have Hummers. Aerodynamics isn't everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] coaxil@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago True, but those look like shit, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We had efficiency answered decades ago during the 70s fuel shortage. Big oil didn't want to normalize cars like the Vega, Moodymobile, VW Rabbit, later the Geo Metro. They wanted us to burn more oil not less. And that hasn't changed. Cars don't need to be designed in wind tunnels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hubi@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago Regulations on fossil fuels have become very strict in Europe and any manufacturer wanting to sell there is going to maximize aerodynamics. Not to mention the increased range for electric cars. Most people still view cars as utilities, they care more about how far it can go on one charge instead of cool angular designs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) What I care more about is making cars... cars. Visit a dealership in the US and it's 98% SUV/Truck and 2% sedans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) I just want cheap economy shitboxes back. User serviceable ones. Without an extra half ton of plastic and unnecessary electronics. Bring back wind up windows and normal radios. Vinyl seats. Hell, bench seats. Wind up windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Peffse@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) The lowest tech car I could find was the Mitsubishi Mirage G4, and they told me it's being discontinued this year! I think that leaves the Nissan Versa as the only subcompact entry-level vehicle on the market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Which is beyond insane. People are broke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I just got a leaf permalink fedilink source parent [–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) My old early 2000s Ford focus that had manual windows and locks died a few years ago. I miss that car, but towards the end every door handle broke and only the back passenger door opened from the outside... which means I always I had to leave a window down(no key hole on that door) or climb through the trunk. Unfortunately Ford decided to make car doors using a tiny piece of plastic that holds the wire that moves when you pull the handle. When that breaks the handle goes limp and does nothing. But you can't just replace that piece of plastic... nope. You have to buy a whole new internal mechanism. Like i said that car died finally, but I'm still salty about the doors. Those broke one at a time about 5-10 years before the engine went. Anyway, sorry about the rant. I loved my not electric windows and doors, but never expected that issue with it down the road. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Can confirm, I used to daily an 07 focus and it went through door handles like tires permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zerthax@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most "SUVs" are actually crossovers. Which are just hatchbacks, wagons, and non-sliding door minivans. Take an Impreza hatchback and lift it 3 inches, and suddenly it's an "SUV." But yeah, sedans w/trunks are becoming a bit of a rarity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Peffse@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Yeah, Subaru is getting rid of the Legacy sedan in 2025 and keeping the Impreza hatchback because the Impreza shares parts with their larger SUVs. The Legacy doesn't, so it makes them more money to get rid of the car. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) I just want cheap economy shitboxes back. User serviceable ones. Without an extra half ton of plastic and unnecessary electronics. Bring back wind up windows and normal radios. Vinyl seats. Hell, bench seats. Wind up windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Peffse@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) The lowest tech car I could find was the Mitsubishi Mirage G4, and they told me it's being discontinued this year! I think that leaves the Nissan Versa as the only subcompact entry-level vehicle on the market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Which is beyond insane. People are broke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I just got a leaf permalink fedilink source parent [–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) My old early 2000s Ford focus that had manual windows and locks died a few years ago. I miss that car, but towards the end every door handle broke and only the back passenger door opened from the outside... which means I always I had to leave a window down(no key hole on that door) or climb through the trunk. Unfortunately Ford decided to make car doors using a tiny piece of plastic that holds the wire that moves when you pull the handle. When that breaks the handle goes limp and does nothing. But you can't just replace that piece of plastic... nope. You have to buy a whole new internal mechanism. Like i said that car died finally, but I'm still salty about the doors. Those broke one at a time about 5-10 years before the engine went. Anyway, sorry about the rant. I loved my not electric windows and doors, but never expected that issue with it down the road. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Can confirm, I used to daily an 07 focus and it went through door handles like tires permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) The lowest tech car I could find was the Mitsubishi Mirage G4, and they told me it's being discontinued this year! I think that leaves the Nissan Versa as the only subcompact entry-level vehicle on the market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Which is beyond insane. People are broke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago I just got a leaf permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Which is beyond insane. People are broke. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) My old early 2000s Ford focus that had manual windows and locks died a few years ago. I miss that car, but towards the end every door handle broke and only the back passenger door opened from the outside... which means I always I had to leave a window down(no key hole on that door) or climb through the trunk. Unfortunately Ford decided to make car doors using a tiny piece of plastic that holds the wire that moves when you pull the handle. When that breaks the handle goes limp and does nothing. But you can't just replace that piece of plastic... nope. You have to buy a whole new internal mechanism. Like i said that car died finally, but I'm still salty about the doors. Those broke one at a time about 5-10 years before the engine went. Anyway, sorry about the rant. I loved my not electric windows and doors, but never expected that issue with it down the road. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Can confirm, I used to daily an 07 focus and it went through door handles like tires permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Can confirm, I used to daily an 07 focus and it went through door handles like tires permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zerthax@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most "SUVs" are actually crossovers. Which are just hatchbacks, wagons, and non-sliding door minivans. Take an Impreza hatchback and lift it 3 inches, and suddenly it's an "SUV." But yeah, sedans w/trunks are becoming a bit of a rarity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Peffse@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Yeah, Subaru is getting rid of the Legacy sedan in 2025 and keeping the Impreza hatchback because the Impreza shares parts with their larger SUVs. The Legacy doesn't, so it makes them more money to get rid of the car. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Yeah, Subaru is getting rid of the Legacy sedan in 2025 and keeping the Impreza hatchback because the Impreza shares parts with their larger SUVs. The Legacy doesn't, so it makes them more money to get rid of the car. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hubi@feddit.org 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Modern cars are designed in wind tunnels. We'll never get the cool designs back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) We still have Hummers. Aerodynamics isn't everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] coaxil@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago True, but those look like shit, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We had efficiency answered decades ago during the 70s fuel shortage. Big oil didn't want to normalize cars like the Vega, Moodymobile, VW Rabbit, later the Geo Metro. They wanted us to burn more oil not less. And that hasn't changed. Cars don't need to be designed in wind tunnels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hubi@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago Regulations on fossil fuels have become very strict in Europe and any manufacturer wanting to sell there is going to maximize aerodynamics. Not to mention the increased range for electric cars. Most people still view cars as utilities, they care more about how far it can go on one charge instead of cool angular designs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) We still have Hummers. Aerodynamics isn't everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] coaxil@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago True, but those look like shit, lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] coaxil@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago True, but those look like shit, lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) We had efficiency answered decades ago during the 70s fuel shortage. Big oil didn't want to normalize cars like the Vega, Moodymobile, VW Rabbit, later the Geo Metro. They wanted us to burn more oil not less. And that hasn't changed. Cars don't need to be designed in wind tunnels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hubi@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago Regulations on fossil fuels have become very strict in Europe and any manufacturer wanting to sell there is going to maximize aerodynamics. Not to mention the increased range for electric cars. Most people still view cars as utilities, they care more about how far it can go on one charge instead of cool angular designs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hubi@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago Regulations on fossil fuels have become very strict in Europe and any manufacturer wanting to sell there is going to maximize aerodynamics. Not to mention the increased range for electric cars. Most people still view cars as utilities, they care more about how far it can go on one charge instead of cool angular designs. permalink fedilink source parent