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If Australians knew the whole truth about Indigenous history, Lidia Thorpe’s royal outburst would not have been a shock | Celeste Liddle (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

I never said you were racist, I joked about Aboriginal people showing up with a deed to your house.

You feeling blamed when I'm saying it's a historical injustice, not a matter of modern theift, isn't the same thing as me having blamed you.

I don't even know you, you're just some stranger on the Internet.

Pointing out this history of the country is just being honest. The people who can't handle that are the ones being dishonest.

Anyways, if you need to lie and misrepresent the basic positions of the discussion, and the terms involved - I think that shows you're not operating from reason.

So like I was saying, there was no reasonable case made by the No campaign during The Voice.

You feeling accused, isn the same as a reason, because reason operates on actual statements and substantial facts, not mischaracterisations and tangential FEELINGS.

It's normal to have feelings, so sorry you let yours cloud your reasonable judgement of the actual facts and arguments being made. In that particular case (and that alone as far as I can tell) you ARE guilty.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    You feeling blamed when I'm saying it's a historical injustice

    When you say "we stole their land" then yes, it's not a historical injustice, it's a modern one.

    Pointing out this history of the country is just being honest.

    The history is irrelevant.

    Either we are all equal. Or people have more rights based on their ethnicity than others, which is racial superiority, which is exactly what you're asking for.

    like I was saying, there was no reasonable case made by the No campaign during The Voice

    That's because of your political views that see you blame white people for the ills of everything that's wrong today.

    It's normal to have feelings, so sorry you let yours cloud your reasonable judgement of the actual facts and arguments being made

    Christ you're really on it with the accusations of me being the emotional one when you're the person who can't seemingly understand why deciding rights based off of ethnicity is a bad thing.

    You're a racist. Plain and simple. As was the whole and entire Yes campaign.

    You don't and shouldn't get treated with special privilege because of your skin colour. Everyone in Australia is equal regardless, and it should stay that way.

    This constant victimhood screeching by you is not factual, it is pure emotional and based in nothing but fantasy

    :::

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    That's because of your political views that see you blame white people

    No, your political views see that REGARDLESS of what I say, what links I provide to the Stolden Generations phenomena still being on going, legally quantified and RACIALLY MOTIVATED as recently as the 1970s your still going to pretend I'm claiming your were involved with that, or that all white people, are therefore to blame.

    But you probably weren't involved with it directly... You're just denying that it would impact modern Aboriginal people and communities still... You're saying "the victims we're talking about - shouldn't feel victimized by being, or having had relatives forcibly taken from their families."

    Your saying "nah, that's 'equality' - they were treated equal."

    You're preaching cultural ignorance of the impact history has on a people.

    You're being a fuckin Racist, and that's why YOU voted no. Because you don't know jack shit about Australia, which is why you're pushing AMERICAN victimhood culture here.

    You're doing a claim to white victimhood and pretending it's about all histories being equal. I was willing to talk to you, and give you the benefit of the doubt.

    But I guessed right about you from the start when I said people jump to unjustified assertions, and that's a trend on the right wing (particularly in America)... And now you've shown yourself as doing exactly that.

    "We should ignor recent history because I'm a dumb ass and think no ones effected by it" -Dumb ass right wing Americans and this guy.

    So it turns out, yes I do think you're a racist now, and I do think the voice was about helping communities of RURAL Aboriginal people have more of a voice (hence the name) would have been a good thing.

    I'm not a dishonest coward like you, I can look history and inequality in the face without pretending it's some attack on "white people" (P.S that's not a real race or country, there's no nation or culture by that name) or a racial take over. Bizzare assumptions you're hiding behind, just like you're sweeping racism within living memory under the rug - pretending cultural difference have no modern effects on people.

    It's utterly dishonest bullshit... And yeah, I'm not going to spend my time talking to scum like you.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    (P.S that's not a real race or country, there's no nation or culture by that name) or

    "I'm not racist"

    Is the epitome of racism.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Way to make up a stawman quote I never said.

    You'll note that most of my comment was spent saying you're deceptive, and have to twist words... So the fact you responded by fabricating a quote because you couldn't find one, is hilarious.

    But no, races don't exist... Ethnicities do. Go look it up for yourself. There's more genetic diversity within "darker skinned people from Africa" than there is between light skinned people (what you would call "white people") and dark skinned people (whom you would call Africans).

    Race doesn't exist, it's not a scientific concept (genetics exist). Ethnicity as a social construct exosts, because it's a mix of culture, shared history, and appearance (and no, that's not a euphemism for race because it includes how groups dress/behave), so no, "White people" isn't a real race.... But Finnish people exist as an ethnicity, Germans exist as an ethnicity, French people exist as an ethnicity....

    They all have different cultures, languages, traditions, dances, customs. Things constructed culturally.

    They all share superficial bodily characteristics (as do the rest of humanity)... But there's no unified culture or country called "White". Nothing meaningful is defined that way other than Racism.

    Like I said. There's more genetic diversity between "African" ethnicities (and sometimes within them, even where people look the same) than there is between superficially "white" people and "black" people. But you're just doing an evaluation of people's skin colour and how they look superficially and saying that's race. Go look up whether race is a scientifically valid concept. Go find the country of "White"... It's not a thing.

    The world has cultures, histories, and ethnicities, not races.

    Race is socially constructed not a scientific matter of genes and procreation, that would be genetics. That's why albino indians are still ethnically indians. They're not suddenly Finnish or German just because of sharing a skin colour.

    Anyways, I'm sure you'll misquote me then pretend a misinterpretation you put in quotes yourself is what I was saying....

    .... because like I pointed out earlier, no matter what I say you're going to have to twist it. Because not only are you a believer in an outdated ideas of Racism (bloodlines and purity and what not, when in actual fact we all trace back to the same people), you also have to lie and construct strawman arguments out of desparation.

    It's not surprising you don't know Australian history. You also still think race is a scientifically valid concept. You're a liar, outdated, and ignorant of the facts, as expected. You're a racist.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    Like imagine for a sec, being a little boy in the 70s and seeing this on the nightly news:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7YP-ZGy6w

    ...and you're going to pretend some people don't have a harder cultural background to come from, or weren't living under the threat of castration for being a different colour. You're doing white-victimhood, and denial of racism. Grow the fuck up, and learn about your country dumb ass.

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