▲ 948 ▼ FCC says “too bad” to ISPs complaining that listing every fee is too hard (arstechnica.com) submitted 2 years ago by Powderhorn@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org 138 comments fedilink hide all child comments Aww ... poor little ISPs.
[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 50 points 2 years ago (3 children) My ISP has no problem breaking out the fees. And.... I am indeed, in the US. So, not seeing the issue here. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chthonic@slrpnk.net 60 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not actually about listing the fees. They're worried that if they have to list the fees, customers will realize they're paying 19.99 a month to rent a router, or are getting charged for a land line they didn't ask for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WagesOf@artemis.camp 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) And get a discount for letting the cable company claim they have cable TV to scam money from ESPN. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snowe@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Could you explain this more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago ESPN is probably paying cable companies to air their shows over their cables to customers with a subscription to ESPN. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 16 points 2 years ago Yea... Comcast is really bad about that. When I had them a decade back, I made sure to being my own hardware. permalink fedilink source parent [–] alligatorSoup@feddit.uk 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Americans pay extra for the ability to call emergency line 911!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Hirom@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) 911 and similar emergency numbers always cost money. In many places individuals pays for it through taxes, but people may not realize it because there's 1 tax and 1 big budget that pays for many different public services. In the US I guess the cost is separated from other public services, and paid through ISP via a fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just here wondering who out there wouldn't want to be able to call the emergency line. It shouldn't be a separate fee, but rather incorporated into the tax that pays for all the emergency services anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago It’s a tax. You can’t refuse to pay it, it’s just itemized out like that. Only way to avoid paying it is to not pay for a phone. It is a regressive tax which is bad (everyone who has a phone line pays the same instead of taxing the rich more) but there are bigger worries in America. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 5 points 2 years ago You do too. It just might not be reflected on your phone bill, and is just lumped in with your normal taxes / VAT/etc.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheBestUsername@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're paying $130 a month for your internet?? Where in the price gouging place do you live? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] drewdevorcula@beehaw.org 14 points 2 years ago 130 for 500gb fiber is an awesome deal in the US. I used to pay $120/mo for business class 50mb asymmetrical coaxial with like 10 up. Had to get business class when Comcast started introducing data caps on the residential tier. Now my ISP is bundled with my rent, so what I'm actually paying is totally opaque. No idea how much of my rent goes to Comcast. Oh, and it's not optional. I can't even get other service here because Comcast has a partnership with the building owners. Telcos are fucked here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 2 points 2 years ago Trust me. This is CHEAP compared to what I had a decade ago. One Decade ago, I paid 95$ a month for "15 mbit" ADSL. Which- topped out around 8Mbit/s on a GOOD day. (Rain/moisture wrecked hell on the lines around here.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chthonic@slrpnk.net 60 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not actually about listing the fees. They're worried that if they have to list the fees, customers will realize they're paying 19.99 a month to rent a router, or are getting charged for a land line they didn't ask for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WagesOf@artemis.camp 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) And get a discount for letting the cable company claim they have cable TV to scam money from ESPN. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snowe@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Could you explain this more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago ESPN is probably paying cable companies to air their shows over their cables to customers with a subscription to ESPN. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 16 points 2 years ago Yea... Comcast is really bad about that. When I had them a decade back, I made sure to being my own hardware. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WagesOf@artemis.camp 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) And get a discount for letting the cable company claim they have cable TV to scam money from ESPN. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snowe@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Could you explain this more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago ESPN is probably paying cable companies to air their shows over their cables to customers with a subscription to ESPN. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snowe@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Could you explain this more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago ESPN is probably paying cable companies to air their shows over their cables to customers with a subscription to ESPN. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago ESPN is probably paying cable companies to air their shows over their cables to customers with a subscription to ESPN. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 16 points 2 years ago Yea... Comcast is really bad about that. When I had them a decade back, I made sure to being my own hardware. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alligatorSoup@feddit.uk 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Americans pay extra for the ability to call emergency line 911!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Hirom@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) 911 and similar emergency numbers always cost money. In many places individuals pays for it through taxes, but people may not realize it because there's 1 tax and 1 big budget that pays for many different public services. In the US I guess the cost is separated from other public services, and paid through ISP via a fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just here wondering who out there wouldn't want to be able to call the emergency line. It shouldn't be a separate fee, but rather incorporated into the tax that pays for all the emergency services anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago It’s a tax. You can’t refuse to pay it, it’s just itemized out like that. Only way to avoid paying it is to not pay for a phone. It is a regressive tax which is bad (everyone who has a phone line pays the same instead of taxing the rich more) but there are bigger worries in America. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 5 points 2 years ago You do too. It just might not be reflected on your phone bill, and is just lumped in with your normal taxes / VAT/etc.... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) 911 and similar emergency numbers always cost money. In many places individuals pays for it through taxes, but people may not realize it because there's 1 tax and 1 big budget that pays for many different public services. In the US I guess the cost is separated from other public services, and paid through ISP via a fee. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just here wondering who out there wouldn't want to be able to call the emergency line. It shouldn't be a separate fee, but rather incorporated into the tax that pays for all the emergency services anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago It’s a tax. You can’t refuse to pay it, it’s just itemized out like that. Only way to avoid paying it is to not pay for a phone. It is a regressive tax which is bad (everyone who has a phone line pays the same instead of taxing the rich more) but there are bigger worries in America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just here wondering who out there wouldn't want to be able to call the emergency line. It shouldn't be a separate fee, but rather incorporated into the tax that pays for all the emergency services anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago It’s a tax. You can’t refuse to pay it, it’s just itemized out like that. Only way to avoid paying it is to not pay for a phone. It is a regressive tax which is bad (everyone who has a phone line pays the same instead of taxing the rich more) but there are bigger worries in America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago It’s a tax. You can’t refuse to pay it, it’s just itemized out like that. Only way to avoid paying it is to not pay for a phone. It is a regressive tax which is bad (everyone who has a phone line pays the same instead of taxing the rich more) but there are bigger worries in America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 5 points 2 years ago You do too. It just might not be reflected on your phone bill, and is just lumped in with your normal taxes / VAT/etc.... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheBestUsername@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're paying $130 a month for your internet?? Where in the price gouging place do you live? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] drewdevorcula@beehaw.org 14 points 2 years ago 130 for 500gb fiber is an awesome deal in the US. I used to pay $120/mo for business class 50mb asymmetrical coaxial with like 10 up. Had to get business class when Comcast started introducing data caps on the residential tier. Now my ISP is bundled with my rent, so what I'm actually paying is totally opaque. No idea how much of my rent goes to Comcast. Oh, and it's not optional. I can't even get other service here because Comcast has a partnership with the building owners. Telcos are fucked here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 2 points 2 years ago Trust me. This is CHEAP compared to what I had a decade ago. One Decade ago, I paid 95$ a month for "15 mbit" ADSL. Which- topped out around 8Mbit/s on a GOOD day. (Rain/moisture wrecked hell on the lines around here.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drewdevorcula@beehaw.org 14 points 2 years ago 130 for 500gb fiber is an awesome deal in the US. I used to pay $120/mo for business class 50mb asymmetrical coaxial with like 10 up. Had to get business class when Comcast started introducing data caps on the residential tier. Now my ISP is bundled with my rent, so what I'm actually paying is totally opaque. No idea how much of my rent goes to Comcast. Oh, and it's not optional. I can't even get other service here because Comcast has a partnership with the building owners. Telcos are fucked here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 2 points 2 years ago Trust me. This is CHEAP compared to what I had a decade ago. One Decade ago, I paid 95$ a month for "15 mbit" ADSL. Which- topped out around 8Mbit/s on a GOOD day. (Rain/moisture wrecked hell on the lines around here.) permalink fedilink source parent
