▲ 2206 ▼ Young climate activist tells Greenpeace to drop ‘old-fashioned’ anti-nuclear stance (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by sv1sjp@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 1121 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] bric@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) What problems do you think nuclear has that outweighs the problems with fossil fuels? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The fact that the girl in the article is the daughter of a dude who runs an ecomodernist organization funded (PDF) by fossil fuels investors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bric@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Ok, so she's not a great source for truth, that still doesn't make nuclear bad though. Why is it always framed as "nuclear vs renewables" instead of "nuclear and renewables vs fossil fuels"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also, the fact that girl is promoting the rhetoric of "greens killed nuclear!!" should be a red flag. This is simply false, nuclear was killed by its expensive electricity. While greens may have taken credit, that was unearned credit. permalink fedilink source parent [+] largess@mastodon.au 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago To repeat myself a bit: Renewables are more dynamic in production. You can turn them on and off quickly, you can scale them quickly too. You can’t do that with nuclear plants easily. Baseload is not a goal, it’s a limit. That’s why the nuclear energy sector is friends with the coal sector. Example of Nuclear-Coal friendship from Poland: https://twitter.com/stepien_przemek/status/1642908210913853442 Example of Nuclear-Coal friendship from the USA: https://www.energyandpolicy.org/generation-now-inc/ A deeper understanding here: “The duck in the room - the end of baseload” https://jeromeaparis.substack.com/p/the-duck-in-the-room-the-end-of-baseload permalink fedilink source parent [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago More reading for you: Two’s a crowd: Nuclear and renewables don’t mix. Only the latter can deliver truly low carbon energy, says new study https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201005112141.htm paper http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41560-020-00696-3 If countries want to lower emissions as substantially, rapidly and cost-effectively as possible, they should prioritize support for renewables, rather than nuclear power. Slow, expensive and no good for 1.5° target: CSIRO crushes Coalition nuclear fantasy https://reneweconomy.com.au/slow-expensive-and-no-good-for-1-5-target-csiro-crushes-coalition-nuclear-fantasy/ Australia’s leading scientific research organisation, the CSIRO, has delivered a damning blow against the renewed push by the federal Coalition for nuclear power, saying it is expensive, and too slow to make a significant contribution to any serious climate targets. Former Nuclear Leaders: Say ‘No’ to New Reactors https://www.powermag.com/blog/former-nuclear-leaders-say-no-to-new-reactors/ The former heads of nuclear power regulation in the U.S., Germany, and France, along with the former secretary to the UK’s government radiation protection committee, have issued a joint statement that in part says, “Nuclear is just not part of any feasible strategy that could counter climate change.” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The fact that the girl in the article is the daughter of a dude who runs an ecomodernist organization funded (PDF) by fossil fuels investors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bric@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Ok, so she's not a great source for truth, that still doesn't make nuclear bad though. Why is it always framed as "nuclear vs renewables" instead of "nuclear and renewables vs fossil fuels"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also, the fact that girl is promoting the rhetoric of "greens killed nuclear!!" should be a red flag. This is simply false, nuclear was killed by its expensive electricity. While greens may have taken credit, that was unearned credit. permalink fedilink source parent [+] largess@mastodon.au 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago To repeat myself a bit: Renewables are more dynamic in production. You can turn them on and off quickly, you can scale them quickly too. You can’t do that with nuclear plants easily. Baseload is not a goal, it’s a limit. That’s why the nuclear energy sector is friends with the coal sector. Example of Nuclear-Coal friendship from Poland: https://twitter.com/stepien_przemek/status/1642908210913853442 Example of Nuclear-Coal friendship from the USA: https://www.energyandpolicy.org/generation-now-inc/ A deeper understanding here: “The duck in the room - the end of baseload” https://jeromeaparis.substack.com/p/the-duck-in-the-room-the-end-of-baseload permalink fedilink source parent [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago More reading for you: Two’s a crowd: Nuclear and renewables don’t mix. Only the latter can deliver truly low carbon energy, says new study https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201005112141.htm paper http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41560-020-00696-3 If countries want to lower emissions as substantially, rapidly and cost-effectively as possible, they should prioritize support for renewables, rather than nuclear power. Slow, expensive and no good for 1.5° target: CSIRO crushes Coalition nuclear fantasy https://reneweconomy.com.au/slow-expensive-and-no-good-for-1-5-target-csiro-crushes-coalition-nuclear-fantasy/ Australia’s leading scientific research organisation, the CSIRO, has delivered a damning blow against the renewed push by the federal Coalition for nuclear power, saying it is expensive, and too slow to make a significant contribution to any serious climate targets. Former Nuclear Leaders: Say ‘No’ to New Reactors https://www.powermag.com/blog/former-nuclear-leaders-say-no-to-new-reactors/ The former heads of nuclear power regulation in the U.S., Germany, and France, along with the former secretary to the UK’s government radiation protection committee, have issued a joint statement that in part says, “Nuclear is just not part of any feasible strategy that could counter climate change.” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bric@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) Ok, so she's not a great source for truth, that still doesn't make nuclear bad though. Why is it always framed as "nuclear vs renewables" instead of "nuclear and renewables vs fossil fuels"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also, the fact that girl is promoting the rhetoric of "greens killed nuclear!!" should be a red flag. This is simply false, nuclear was killed by its expensive electricity. While greens may have taken credit, that was unearned credit. permalink fedilink source parent [+] largess@mastodon.au 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago To repeat myself a bit: Renewables are more dynamic in production. You can turn them on and off quickly, you can scale them quickly too. You can’t do that with nuclear plants easily. Baseload is not a goal, it’s a limit. That’s why the nuclear energy sector is friends with the coal sector. Example of Nuclear-Coal friendship from Poland: https://twitter.com/stepien_przemek/status/1642908210913853442 Example of Nuclear-Coal friendship from the USA: https://www.energyandpolicy.org/generation-now-inc/ A deeper understanding here: “The duck in the room - the end of baseload” https://jeromeaparis.substack.com/p/the-duck-in-the-room-the-end-of-baseload permalink fedilink source parent [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago More reading for you: Two’s a crowd: Nuclear and renewables don’t mix. Only the latter can deliver truly low carbon energy, says new study https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201005112141.htm paper http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41560-020-00696-3 If countries want to lower emissions as substantially, rapidly and cost-effectively as possible, they should prioritize support for renewables, rather than nuclear power. Slow, expensive and no good for 1.5° target: CSIRO crushes Coalition nuclear fantasy https://reneweconomy.com.au/slow-expensive-and-no-good-for-1-5-target-csiro-crushes-coalition-nuclear-fantasy/ Australia’s leading scientific research organisation, the CSIRO, has delivered a damning blow against the renewed push by the federal Coalition for nuclear power, saying it is expensive, and too slow to make a significant contribution to any serious climate targets. Former Nuclear Leaders: Say ‘No’ to New Reactors https://www.powermag.com/blog/former-nuclear-leaders-say-no-to-new-reactors/ The former heads of nuclear power regulation in the U.S., Germany, and France, along with the former secretary to the UK’s government radiation protection committee, have issued a joint statement that in part says, “Nuclear is just not part of any feasible strategy that could counter climate change.” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also, the fact that girl is promoting the rhetoric of "greens killed nuclear!!" should be a red flag. This is simply false, nuclear was killed by its expensive electricity. While greens may have taken credit, that was unearned credit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago To repeat myself a bit: Renewables are more dynamic in production. You can turn them on and off quickly, you can scale them quickly too. You can’t do that with nuclear plants easily. Baseload is not a goal, it’s a limit. That’s why the nuclear energy sector is friends with the coal sector. Example of Nuclear-Coal friendship from Poland: https://twitter.com/stepien_przemek/status/1642908210913853442 Example of Nuclear-Coal friendship from the USA: https://www.energyandpolicy.org/generation-now-inc/ A deeper understanding here: “The duck in the room - the end of baseload” https://jeromeaparis.substack.com/p/the-duck-in-the-room-the-end-of-baseload permalink fedilink source parent
[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago More reading for you: Two’s a crowd: Nuclear and renewables don’t mix. Only the latter can deliver truly low carbon energy, says new study https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201005112141.htm paper http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41560-020-00696-3 If countries want to lower emissions as substantially, rapidly and cost-effectively as possible, they should prioritize support for renewables, rather than nuclear power. Slow, expensive and no good for 1.5° target: CSIRO crushes Coalition nuclear fantasy https://reneweconomy.com.au/slow-expensive-and-no-good-for-1-5-target-csiro-crushes-coalition-nuclear-fantasy/ Australia’s leading scientific research organisation, the CSIRO, has delivered a damning blow against the renewed push by the federal Coalition for nuclear power, saying it is expensive, and too slow to make a significant contribution to any serious climate targets. Former Nuclear Leaders: Say ‘No’ to New Reactors https://www.powermag.com/blog/former-nuclear-leaders-say-no-to-new-reactors/ The former heads of nuclear power regulation in the U.S., Germany, and France, along with the former secretary to the UK’s government radiation protection committee, have issued a joint statement that in part says, “Nuclear is just not part of any feasible strategy that could counter climate change.” permalink fedilink source parent