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Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar killed in surprise encounter with Israeli forces (www.theguardian.com)
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[+] -7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Comments like these are just supporting these kinds of heinous figures like him, and it's just sad, and evil.

Yahya Sinwar wasn’t some evil mastermind manipulating and controlling the Palestinian people This is a pure lie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Sinwar: "Sinwar planned the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and the murder of four Palestinians whom he suspected of cooperating with Israel." "Sinwar was believed to have overseen the torture and execution." And this is just part of the list.

they have been fighting an existential war against a genocidal There no genocide. Lie #2. This is not Israel's goal in this war. Or ever.

beloved by the Palestinian people. Lie #3.

Stop posting lies.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Don't be daft, he's explaining, not justifying.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There is a difference between explaining and lying mate.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Please quote here the exact phrase from the post that is a lie.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yahya Sinwar wasn’t some evil mastermind

    they have been fighting an existential war against a genocidal

    beloved by the Palestinian people

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I wasn't making a moral judgement of Sinwar, but contextualizing the Palestinian view of him. Palestinians sided with Hamas and Sinwar because of Israel's genocide against Palestine, Sinwar wasn't some great and powerful manipulator able to trick an entire population. Again, I am not making a moral justification for Sinwar, I am explaining why this isn't leading to a ceasefire.

    Secondly, are you denying that Israel is committing genocide?

    Third, Sinwar absolutely has positive views among Palestinians. The majority of Palestinians support fighting Israel, and the footage of him perishing on the front lines, in full combat garb, defiantly throwing scrap metal at the drone confirming his soon to be death, has fully disproven the idea that he was a coward hiding in a bunker this whole time. He is more popular now than ever before.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Palestinians sided with Hamas and Sinwar.

    "Hamas has governed the Gaza Strip in Palestine since its takeover of the region from rival party Fatah in June 2007."

    The Palestinians had no option but to choose between an antisemitistic group at the time called Hamas (by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter) or a group who officially claims that no other human can be Palestinian, besides Arabs, which is called Fatah (by https://irp.fas.org/dni/osc/fatah-charter.pdf)

    It means, that at the time of the election (2006) almost half of the Palestinians supported Hamas, which officially had antisemistic principals.

    Third, Sinwar absolutely has positive views among Palestinians. You linked a highly biased news, so unfortunately I can't refer to that. As a reminder, Sinwar was the official leader of Hamas. Every school that teached terrorism, every old man, women, children and babys, every tunnel that was digged under civilians, everything that happens, and the consequences of this war, by Hamas, are his responsibility.

    I disagree that Israel is commiting genocide. There are millions peaceful Palestinians who live peacefully. This is not a genocide.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Israel is committing genocide and an ethnic cleansing. Claiming otherwise is incredibly callous and cruel.

    Apartheid

    Amnesty Report

    Human Rights Watch Report

    B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer

    Genocide

    Holocaust scholar to discuss his conclusion that Gaza campaign constitutes genocide

    UN Expert Says Impunity for Israel Must End as 'Genocidal Violence' Spreads to West Bank

    “A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza

    800+ Legal Scholars Say Israel May Be Perpetrating 'Crime of Genocide' in Gaza

    Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated

    AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC

    Human Shields

    Hamas:

    Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

    Israel:

    Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:

    Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

    Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

    Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

    Starvation

    Prior to the current hostilities, 1.2 million of Gaza’s 2.2 million people were estimated to be facing acute food insecurity, and over 80 percent were reliant on humanitarian aid. Israel maintains overarching control over Gaza, including over the movement of people and goods, territorial waters, airspace, the infrastructure upon which Gaza relies, as well as the registry of the population. This leaves Gaza’s population, which Israel has subjected to an unlawful closure for 16 years, almost entirely dependent on Israel for access to fuel, electricity, medicine, food, and other essential commodities.

    After the imposition of a “total blockade” on Gaza on October 9, Israeli authorities resumed piping water to some parts of southern Gaza on October 15 and, as of October 21, allowed limited humanitarian aid to arrive through the Rafah crossing with Egypt. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on October 18 that Israel would not allow humanitarian assistance “in the form of food and medicines” into Gaza through its crossings “as long as our hostages are not returned.”

    Israel: Starvation Used as Weapon of War in Gaza

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago*

    I'm looking at the Fatah charter and I don't see that line you claim is there ("no other human can be Palestinian, besides Arabs").

    Are you making some kind of bad faith reference to the line "Long live Palestine, free and Arab"? Because this line is entirely consistent with the two-state solution, which imagines a Jewish Israel alongside an Arab Palestine.

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