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Investigating the Nord Stream Attack: All the Evidence Points To Kyiv (www.spiegel.de)
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only a handful of investigators at most have been assigned to work on the Nord Stream case on a full-time basis.

the perception among investigators is that the will to solve the case is not particularly pronounced in the capital. Politically, it is easier to live with what happened if it remains unclear who is behind the attacks.

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[–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

immediate ethnic cleansing

You mean the removal of the russian population that was occupying crymea? Besides those, I'm sure that there will be a lot of hate for russian speaking people, but tough fucking luck, guess why. Russian could have not invaded crymea and people would not have harboured hate for the ethnicity and language.

"Oh thanks for packing up and leaving, now my territory is destroyed and economy fucked up, thanks!" of course that people will blame tons fo thing in Russia, it's what I would expect of any oppressed population.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are you not aware of the fact that a large part of the population of Ukraine, especially in the eastern parts of the country, are ethnic Russians who were born and raised there?

    And why did you even bring up Crimea when the comment you replied to was clearly about Ukraine? Stop being dishonest.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because it's part of eastern Ukraine. In any case, I believe that it's unfortunate that those people are recieving hate but what did you expect from other ukranians since the Crimea invasion? ofc the whole other country is pissed with Russians as a whole! I know that it's not their fault but it's hard to control the masses, and this doesn't even remotely justify a second invasion.

    I really don't get why you say I'm being dishonest when I just disagree with you, it's like you think I know more than what I'm telling and I'm saying what I am to sway the public opinion in a certain way, and while I'm sure there's people like that, accusing everyone that disagrees with you of being dishonest really does a disservice to your argument.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Because it's part of eastern Ukraine.

    No, it's not.

    I believe that it's unfortunate that those people are recieving hate

    No, you very clearly don't. You have said that you want them to be "removed".

    You are obviously dishonest.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, it’s not.

    It's still the source of the increasing hate Ukranians have for Russia. "Oh geez why do they hate us we just invaded their country lol xD"

    No, you very clearly don’t. You have said that you want them to be “removed”.

    I said that I want people from crimea removed because those are russians settlers that came to live there after the invasion in 2014, they are not ukranian citizens. If those setters ahd kids and those were born in there, it is what it is, they are still settlers that went to live there illegaly with no citizenship. I think that is unfortunate that Russian ethnic Ukranian citizens living in Donbass are recieving hate, but those people are not going to be removed from their homes, or whatever is left of those cities to be honest.

    If you are saying that any person with russian ethnicity is going to be removed from donbass either by murder or exiling them into russia, I disagree. If you mean that they are going to prohibit any russian customs/language and purge the way they liked to leave, and thus cleanse the ethnicity, then I do agree with the fact that they are going to do that, and while it's unfortunate, I find it quite natural after an invasion. However, if those people have been in favour of the invasion, then they are clearly and unequivocally traitor to the country they want to live in, and it's on them if the get exiled. Like, it's not even a question that if you ally with the invading force you are a traitor to your country.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You are a massive piece of shit, and I hope you have a horrible day.

    Fuck all the way off.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Says the one defending the invading country.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    You can not find a single example of me defending Russia, this is you being dishonest again.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh, you are not the original commenter I responded to in this thread, you just jumped to attack me. My bad then, I didn't realize.

    It's just the way you are so against the Ukranian defense that I assumed your support for the other party was implied, but I guess that you are just against both and your aim is to complain whatever happens. Yay.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    you are so against the Ukranian defense

    Show me where I did this.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    This whole thread where you are defending the rights of the settlers to live there. You can't be that oblivious that what your stance implies.

    I any case, it's clear that your stance is that all western government is bad and you wish for it all to burn down before starting anew because they are in general all evil bad actors. Feel free to correct me if my impression is wrong. I do agree that there are faults, plenty of them, but I fundamentally disagree that it all needs to burn down and I see that we will get nothing from continuing this conversation. Plus, you feel like people can't be lazy with their responses, everything must have an evil intention against your ideas and if anything said is incorrect (which I did acept was incorrect when pointed) it is done so intentionally with the objective to deceive. There is nothing to be disucussed with someone like this, so I'm just going to stop responding. I'll read your response if you do but don't expect another comment.

    I wish you genuinely have a nice day.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you seriously believe that every ethnic Russian living in eastern Ukraine is a "settler", you are a special kind of stupid.

    I hope you step on a piece of Lego.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    If you seriously believe that every ethnic Russian living in eastern Ukraine is a “settler”

    Just to clarify this point since I did NOT say whay you say I'm saying. I'm guessing that you got confused since I rammed a lot of stuff in the same paragraph, but still.

    My statement

    I said that I want people from crimea removed because those are russians settlers that came to live there after the invasion in 2014, they are not ukranian citizens.

    And as you stated, those are not in easter Ukraine, so idk where you got that notion.

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