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The Wayback Machine is back as a read-only service after cyberattacks (www.theverge.com)
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[–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

There's a difference between your average Joe linking something and a massive tech company linking something. The first should always be allowed, the second should have an expectation of some form of compensation. That's why there are differences in licensing terms for lots of services, if you're using something commercially, you pay a different rate than if you're using something privately.

That said, this is on IA to enforce, and I believe they should.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Strong disagree. If I make a website people like, and Google links to it, should Google have to pay me? If so, Google basically can't exist. The record keeping of tracking every single little website that they owe money to or have to negotiate deals with would be untenable. And what happens if a large tech journal like CNET or ZDNet Links to the website of a company they are writing an article about? Do they have to pay for that? Is the payment assumed by publicity? Is it different if they link to a deep page versus the front page?

    What you are talking opens up a gigantic can of worms that there is no easy solution to, if there is any solution at all.

    I will absolutely give you that what Google is doing is shitty. If Google is basically outsourcing their cache to IA, they should be paying IA for the additional traffic and server load. But I think that 'should' falls in line with being a good internet citizen treating a non-profit fairly, not part of any actual requirement.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What you are talking opens up a gigantic can of worms that there is no easy solution to, if there is any solution at all.

    It might if I was suggesting any kind of legislative solution here. I'm not. I'm merely saying that IA should be more selective about how it can be accessed.

    For example, if a journalist is doing a piece about how websites secretly change content, I think it's entirely reasonable for them to pay for accessing IA for the purposes of that article, because it's directly related to a commercial endeavor. However, I don't expect random internet users to pay for access to that same information, because it's not related to a commercial endeavor.

    In general, you should pay for content that you're going to use commercially.

    If Google is basically outsourcing their cache to IA, they should be paying IA for the additional traffic and server load.

    And that's precisely what I'm saying. I'm also taking it a step further and suggesting that IA should be on top of it so companies like Google (who are profiting from their service) pay, while regular internet users don't.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    In general, you should pay for content that you're going to use commercially

    Sure, but merely linking to a page isn't reusing the content. If said content was being embedded, rehashed or otherwise shown then a compensation would be fair. But merely linking to a page should absolutely be free. That's a massively important cornerstone of the internet that shouldn't be compromised on.

    Linking directs traffic which can be monetized by the website itself, it shouldn't require additional fees on top.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    There's a difference between primary content like a website, and secondary content like a cache of a page. I think services doing the latter should be a bit more aggressive about charging fees for commercial entities linking to them, since they're providing a service separate from the primary source.

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