▲ 308 ▼ TIL of RHYTHM 0 : A performance art piece in which Marina Abramović stood still for six hours while the audience could do whatever they wanted to her. (aussie.zone) submitted 2 years ago* by useless_modern_god@aussie.zone to c/til@lemmy.world 155 comments fedilink hide all child comments 👉wiki 👉Tate Article Instructions: There are 72 objects on the table that one can use on me as desired. Performance: I am the object. During this period I take full responsibility. Duration: 6 hours (8pm–2am.) Studio Morra, Naples
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mysoulishome@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) I agree she was prepared for it and expected it but still fucked. She didn’t tell them to be cruel…she just said they were allowed to. Reminds me of the Stanford prison experiment where you kind of give people a tacit permission to be evil…so they do and then we are confronted with the aftermath. I just can’t imagine I could cause someone’s skin to bleed purposefully and not feel awful… Not the same but related…this guy was shot as an art piece https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_(Burden) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 33 points 2 years ago (2 children) The Stanford prison experiment couldn't be replicated and the data are widely considered useless in psychologist community. Basically someone wanted to be famous so they created a shocking but fake study. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If I correctly remember my psychology lessons from 10+ years ago though, the results of Milgram's experiment has been reproduced countless times which sort of backs up the original point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) What is the original point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People are fucked up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Well, thats wrong. All is tells us is, that the people in the Experiment did fucked up things. These people were raised in a fucked society, they may have experienced violence, thay may be traumatised, they may idolize the traditional male rolemodel vor they may not. What far too often gets overlooked is that you can't put people in experiments and look at them as if they where in there in a vaccum, untouched by society. Put Nazis in there you have one result. Put Queer feminist leftist in there you have another result. Put indigenous societies in the experiment, you have a different result. People aren't generally fucked up. Society is fucked up and that shows through the action of its people. "People are fucked up" is a very fashist thought, it means we must have a strong state that puts its siticens in the "right" place. And that is just wrong. (More on why people aren't fucked up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes and no. You can say that it's just the people in any experiment but past a certain point you have to be able to extrapolate the results to the population at large. And (again, if memory serves) the results of this experiment have been replicated numerous times across numerous population samples. Also, the point of Milgram isn't that people are fucked up, it's that people will follow orders when those orders are issued by someone in a perceived position of authority. And it's funny you mention Nazis because the experiment was Milgram's response to the "I was just following orders" defence from the Nuremberg trials. In conclusion: non-fucked-up people will do fucked up things if their boss tells them to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago To strengthen a hypothesis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago See my other post below for a little more context, but basically it showed that people will do awful things if someone in authority tells them to permalink fedilink source parent [–] ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Just get any warehouse or factory in UK where the moment somebody steps up as middle management they start being ultra evil to the employees who are too weak to do anything as they're bound by visas etc. I've seen it happen so many times, at some point I've been offered a job position and they told me "yeah the salary is not attactuve but you get to yell at "pakis" all day" Like what the fuck permalink fedilink source parent [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) The Stanford Prison Experiment was a sham and couldn't be replicated. This Art project still seems gruesome.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fubo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago There was no experiment. There was a LARP, in which the GM explicitly instructed the players to be abusive to one another. So they did. After a couple days of this bullshit, the GM's girlfriend made him stop the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago It wasn't so much a sham as it was a gigantic mess, and that's the lesson. Zimbardo conducted one hell of a mess that had to be ditched less than halfway through and was only ditched because a grad student of his came in and was appalled by what he was letting happen as part of his "role" as the warden. He'd gotten directly involved in the study and as a result fucked it all up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) No shit she knew what they were going to do. That was the point. She was making a point about how inhumane people become when they think there are no consequences for their actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] H2207@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (3 children) Even if the gun was loaded with a blank, at any distance where she can be the one holding it (assuming it's aimed at her) a blank would still do serious damage. When a blank is fired, solid propellant typically is ejected as well as ignited propellant and metal shavings. Too close and a blank is almost like birdshot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Brandon Lee was killed by a blank on the set of The Crow, wasn't he? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] H2207@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) According to Wikipedia there was a squib load in the barrel, which was then pushed out by a blank round. So he was effectively shot, but the blank pushed out a bullet that was lodged in the barrel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're assuming a full-strength blank, like they use in Hollywood. It could be a round with little/no powder. That would show if someone fired, but would not actually be capable of harm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Event_Horizon5@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Even just a primer going off with no powder or bullet could cause serious injury or death, if the gun was held against your head. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least the gun was deactivated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't believe it was, not for the original performance. Or have I misunderstood that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I misunderstood the Tate article. For the display, it was disabled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's how I understood it too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Enigma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Well, there is the Great Wall of Vagina(s). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mysoulishome@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) I agree she was prepared for it and expected it but still fucked. She didn’t tell them to be cruel…she just said they were allowed to. Reminds me of the Stanford prison experiment where you kind of give people a tacit permission to be evil…so they do and then we are confronted with the aftermath. I just can’t imagine I could cause someone’s skin to bleed purposefully and not feel awful… Not the same but related…this guy was shot as an art piece https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_(Burden) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 33 points 2 years ago (2 children) The Stanford prison experiment couldn't be replicated and the data are widely considered useless in psychologist community. Basically someone wanted to be famous so they created a shocking but fake study. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If I correctly remember my psychology lessons from 10+ years ago though, the results of Milgram's experiment has been reproduced countless times which sort of backs up the original point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) What is the original point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People are fucked up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Well, thats wrong. All is tells us is, that the people in the Experiment did fucked up things. These people were raised in a fucked society, they may have experienced violence, thay may be traumatised, they may idolize the traditional male rolemodel vor they may not. What far too often gets overlooked is that you can't put people in experiments and look at them as if they where in there in a vaccum, untouched by society. Put Nazis in there you have one result. Put Queer feminist leftist in there you have another result. Put indigenous societies in the experiment, you have a different result. People aren't generally fucked up. Society is fucked up and that shows through the action of its people. "People are fucked up" is a very fashist thought, it means we must have a strong state that puts its siticens in the "right" place. And that is just wrong. (More on why people aren't fucked up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes and no. You can say that it's just the people in any experiment but past a certain point you have to be able to extrapolate the results to the population at large. And (again, if memory serves) the results of this experiment have been replicated numerous times across numerous population samples. Also, the point of Milgram isn't that people are fucked up, it's that people will follow orders when those orders are issued by someone in a perceived position of authority. And it's funny you mention Nazis because the experiment was Milgram's response to the "I was just following orders" defence from the Nuremberg trials. In conclusion: non-fucked-up people will do fucked up things if their boss tells them to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago To strengthen a hypothesis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago See my other post below for a little more context, but basically it showed that people will do awful things if someone in authority tells them to permalink fedilink source parent [–] ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Just get any warehouse or factory in UK where the moment somebody steps up as middle management they start being ultra evil to the employees who are too weak to do anything as they're bound by visas etc. I've seen it happen so many times, at some point I've been offered a job position and they told me "yeah the salary is not attactuve but you get to yell at "pakis" all day" Like what the fuck permalink fedilink source parent [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) The Stanford Prison Experiment was a sham and couldn't be replicated. This Art project still seems gruesome.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fubo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago There was no experiment. There was a LARP, in which the GM explicitly instructed the players to be abusive to one another. So they did. After a couple days of this bullshit, the GM's girlfriend made him stop the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago It wasn't so much a sham as it was a gigantic mess, and that's the lesson. Zimbardo conducted one hell of a mess that had to be ditched less than halfway through and was only ditched because a grad student of his came in and was appalled by what he was letting happen as part of his "role" as the warden. He'd gotten directly involved in the study and as a result fucked it all up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 33 points 2 years ago (2 children) The Stanford prison experiment couldn't be replicated and the data are widely considered useless in psychologist community. Basically someone wanted to be famous so they created a shocking but fake study. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If I correctly remember my psychology lessons from 10+ years ago though, the results of Milgram's experiment has been reproduced countless times which sort of backs up the original point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) What is the original point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People are fucked up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Well, thats wrong. All is tells us is, that the people in the Experiment did fucked up things. These people were raised in a fucked society, they may have experienced violence, thay may be traumatised, they may idolize the traditional male rolemodel vor they may not. What far too often gets overlooked is that you can't put people in experiments and look at them as if they where in there in a vaccum, untouched by society. Put Nazis in there you have one result. Put Queer feminist leftist in there you have another result. Put indigenous societies in the experiment, you have a different result. People aren't generally fucked up. Society is fucked up and that shows through the action of its people. "People are fucked up" is a very fashist thought, it means we must have a strong state that puts its siticens in the "right" place. And that is just wrong. (More on why people aren't fucked up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes and no. You can say that it's just the people in any experiment but past a certain point you have to be able to extrapolate the results to the population at large. And (again, if memory serves) the results of this experiment have been replicated numerous times across numerous population samples. Also, the point of Milgram isn't that people are fucked up, it's that people will follow orders when those orders are issued by someone in a perceived position of authority. And it's funny you mention Nazis because the experiment was Milgram's response to the "I was just following orders" defence from the Nuremberg trials. In conclusion: non-fucked-up people will do fucked up things if their boss tells them to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago To strengthen a hypothesis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago See my other post below for a little more context, but basically it showed that people will do awful things if someone in authority tells them to permalink fedilink source parent [–] ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Just get any warehouse or factory in UK where the moment somebody steps up as middle management they start being ultra evil to the employees who are too weak to do anything as they're bound by visas etc. I've seen it happen so many times, at some point I've been offered a job position and they told me "yeah the salary is not attactuve but you get to yell at "pakis" all day" Like what the fuck permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If I correctly remember my psychology lessons from 10+ years ago though, the results of Milgram's experiment has been reproduced countless times which sort of backs up the original point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) What is the original point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People are fucked up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Well, thats wrong. All is tells us is, that the people in the Experiment did fucked up things. These people were raised in a fucked society, they may have experienced violence, thay may be traumatised, they may idolize the traditional male rolemodel vor they may not. What far too often gets overlooked is that you can't put people in experiments and look at them as if they where in there in a vaccum, untouched by society. Put Nazis in there you have one result. Put Queer feminist leftist in there you have another result. Put indigenous societies in the experiment, you have a different result. People aren't generally fucked up. Society is fucked up and that shows through the action of its people. "People are fucked up" is a very fashist thought, it means we must have a strong state that puts its siticens in the "right" place. And that is just wrong. (More on why people aren't fucked up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes and no. You can say that it's just the people in any experiment but past a certain point you have to be able to extrapolate the results to the population at large. And (again, if memory serves) the results of this experiment have been replicated numerous times across numerous population samples. Also, the point of Milgram isn't that people are fucked up, it's that people will follow orders when those orders are issued by someone in a perceived position of authority. And it's funny you mention Nazis because the experiment was Milgram's response to the "I was just following orders" defence from the Nuremberg trials. In conclusion: non-fucked-up people will do fucked up things if their boss tells them to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago To strengthen a hypothesis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago See my other post below for a little more context, but basically it showed that people will do awful things if someone in authority tells them to permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) What is the original point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People are fucked up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Well, thats wrong. All is tells us is, that the people in the Experiment did fucked up things. These people were raised in a fucked society, they may have experienced violence, thay may be traumatised, they may idolize the traditional male rolemodel vor they may not. What far too often gets overlooked is that you can't put people in experiments and look at them as if they where in there in a vaccum, untouched by society. Put Nazis in there you have one result. Put Queer feminist leftist in there you have another result. Put indigenous societies in the experiment, you have a different result. People aren't generally fucked up. Society is fucked up and that shows through the action of its people. "People are fucked up" is a very fashist thought, it means we must have a strong state that puts its siticens in the "right" place. And that is just wrong. (More on why people aren't fucked up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes and no. You can say that it's just the people in any experiment but past a certain point you have to be able to extrapolate the results to the population at large. And (again, if memory serves) the results of this experiment have been replicated numerous times across numerous population samples. Also, the point of Milgram isn't that people are fucked up, it's that people will follow orders when those orders are issued by someone in a perceived position of authority. And it's funny you mention Nazis because the experiment was Milgram's response to the "I was just following orders" defence from the Nuremberg trials. In conclusion: non-fucked-up people will do fucked up things if their boss tells them to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago To strengthen a hypothesis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago See my other post below for a little more context, but basically it showed that people will do awful things if someone in authority tells them to permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) People are fucked up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Well, thats wrong. All is tells us is, that the people in the Experiment did fucked up things. These people were raised in a fucked society, they may have experienced violence, thay may be traumatised, they may idolize the traditional male rolemodel vor they may not. What far too often gets overlooked is that you can't put people in experiments and look at them as if they where in there in a vaccum, untouched by society. Put Nazis in there you have one result. Put Queer feminist leftist in there you have another result. Put indigenous societies in the experiment, you have a different result. People aren't generally fucked up. Society is fucked up and that shows through the action of its people. "People are fucked up" is a very fashist thought, it means we must have a strong state that puts its siticens in the "right" place. And that is just wrong. (More on why people aren't fucked up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes and no. You can say that it's just the people in any experiment but past a certain point you have to be able to extrapolate the results to the population at large. And (again, if memory serves) the results of this experiment have been replicated numerous times across numerous population samples. Also, the point of Milgram isn't that people are fucked up, it's that people will follow orders when those orders are issued by someone in a perceived position of authority. And it's funny you mention Nazis because the experiment was Milgram's response to the "I was just following orders" defence from the Nuremberg trials. In conclusion: non-fucked-up people will do fucked up things if their boss tells them to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Well, thats wrong. All is tells us is, that the people in the Experiment did fucked up things. These people were raised in a fucked society, they may have experienced violence, thay may be traumatised, they may idolize the traditional male rolemodel vor they may not. What far too often gets overlooked is that you can't put people in experiments and look at them as if they where in there in a vaccum, untouched by society. Put Nazis in there you have one result. Put Queer feminist leftist in there you have another result. Put indigenous societies in the experiment, you have a different result. People aren't generally fucked up. Society is fucked up and that shows through the action of its people. "People are fucked up" is a very fashist thought, it means we must have a strong state that puts its siticens in the "right" place. And that is just wrong. (More on why people aren't fucked up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes and no. You can say that it's just the people in any experiment but past a certain point you have to be able to extrapolate the results to the population at large. And (again, if memory serves) the results of this experiment have been replicated numerous times across numerous population samples. Also, the point of Milgram isn't that people are fucked up, it's that people will follow orders when those orders are issued by someone in a perceived position of authority. And it's funny you mention Nazis because the experiment was Milgram's response to the "I was just following orders" defence from the Nuremberg trials. In conclusion: non-fucked-up people will do fucked up things if their boss tells them to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Well yes and no. You can say that it's just the people in any experiment but past a certain point you have to be able to extrapolate the results to the population at large. And (again, if memory serves) the results of this experiment have been replicated numerous times across numerous population samples. Also, the point of Milgram isn't that people are fucked up, it's that people will follow orders when those orders are issued by someone in a perceived position of authority. And it's funny you mention Nazis because the experiment was Milgram's response to the "I was just following orders" defence from the Nuremberg trials. In conclusion: non-fucked-up people will do fucked up things if their boss tells them to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago To strengthen a hypothesis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thepolack@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago See my other post below for a little more context, but basically it showed that people will do awful things if someone in authority tells them to permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Just get any warehouse or factory in UK where the moment somebody steps up as middle management they start being ultra evil to the employees who are too weak to do anything as they're bound by visas etc. I've seen it happen so many times, at some point I've been offered a job position and they told me "yeah the salary is not attactuve but you get to yell at "pakis" all day" Like what the fuck permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) The Stanford Prison Experiment was a sham and couldn't be replicated. This Art project still seems gruesome.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fubo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago There was no experiment. There was a LARP, in which the GM explicitly instructed the players to be abusive to one another. So they did. After a couple days of this bullshit, the GM's girlfriend made him stop the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago It wasn't so much a sham as it was a gigantic mess, and that's the lesson. Zimbardo conducted one hell of a mess that had to be ditched less than halfway through and was only ditched because a grad student of his came in and was appalled by what he was letting happen as part of his "role" as the warden. He'd gotten directly involved in the study and as a result fucked it all up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fubo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago There was no experiment. There was a LARP, in which the GM explicitly instructed the players to be abusive to one another. So they did. After a couple days of this bullshit, the GM's girlfriend made him stop the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago It wasn't so much a sham as it was a gigantic mess, and that's the lesson. Zimbardo conducted one hell of a mess that had to be ditched less than halfway through and was only ditched because a grad student of his came in and was appalled by what he was letting happen as part of his "role" as the warden. He'd gotten directly involved in the study and as a result fucked it all up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) No shit she knew what they were going to do. That was the point. She was making a point about how inhumane people become when they think there are no consequences for their actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] H2207@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (3 children) Even if the gun was loaded with a blank, at any distance where she can be the one holding it (assuming it's aimed at her) a blank would still do serious damage. When a blank is fired, solid propellant typically is ejected as well as ignited propellant and metal shavings. Too close and a blank is almost like birdshot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Brandon Lee was killed by a blank on the set of The Crow, wasn't he? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] H2207@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) According to Wikipedia there was a squib load in the barrel, which was then pushed out by a blank round. So he was effectively shot, but the blank pushed out a bullet that was lodged in the barrel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're assuming a full-strength blank, like they use in Hollywood. It could be a round with little/no powder. That would show if someone fired, but would not actually be capable of harm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Event_Horizon5@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Even just a primer going off with no powder or bullet could cause serious injury or death, if the gun was held against your head. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least the gun was deactivated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't believe it was, not for the original performance. Or have I misunderstood that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I misunderstood the Tate article. For the display, it was disabled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's how I understood it too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Brandon Lee was killed by a blank on the set of The Crow, wasn't he? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] H2207@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) According to Wikipedia there was a squib load in the barrel, which was then pushed out by a blank round. So he was effectively shot, but the blank pushed out a bullet that was lodged in the barrel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] H2207@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) According to Wikipedia there was a squib load in the barrel, which was then pushed out by a blank round. So he was effectively shot, but the blank pushed out a bullet that was lodged in the barrel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're assuming a full-strength blank, like they use in Hollywood. It could be a round with little/no powder. That would show if someone fired, but would not actually be capable of harm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Event_Horizon5@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Even just a primer going off with no powder or bullet could cause serious injury or death, if the gun was held against your head. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Event_Horizon5@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Even just a primer going off with no powder or bullet could cause serious injury or death, if the gun was held against your head. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least the gun was deactivated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't believe it was, not for the original performance. Or have I misunderstood that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I misunderstood the Tate article. For the display, it was disabled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's how I understood it too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't believe it was, not for the original performance. Or have I misunderstood that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I misunderstood the Tate article. For the display, it was disabled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's how I understood it too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I misunderstood the Tate article. For the display, it was disabled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's how I understood it too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] infinipurple@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's how I understood it too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Enigma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Well, there is the Great Wall of Vagina(s). permalink fedilink source parent
