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Many such cases (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

No, you shouldn't, because this is the real world and not a trolley problem. Providing electoral support to genociders helps to entrench them and these discussions have the wrong framing when it comes to how political power works. I already mentioned this. Did you read my comment?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes you absolutely should. If you can effortlessly vote for the lesser evil in a way that doesn't take anything away from the other fight, just do it real quick. Any argument to the contrary is accelerationism.

    If you are an accelerationist, then get bent, you're wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Backseat cheerleading genociders, and telling other people to do so, is not helping. It makes you complicit and spreads a false and anemic idea of how political power works. You should be fighting them, not doing mental gymnastics for how you can still justify supporting genociders.

    There is nothing strategic in what you are describing, it is actually self-defeating and this is why you are told this logic from on high.

    As I originally said, join an org and fo actual work against genociders. Be part of the solution, not part of the genocide-excusing problem.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There's no mental gymnastics to flipping that switch real quick, then fighting the real fight. It's you who's doing gymnastics trying to wrongly convince folks not to. The length of your post alone proves the gymnastics.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There's no mental gymnastics

    You're using a strained trolley problem analogy.

    then fighting the real fight.

    Anyone fighting the real fight has already been fighting and knows that your vote shaming for genociders is counterproductive.

    It's you who's doing gymnastics trying to wrongly convince folks not to.

    How am I wrong?

    The length of your post alone proves the gymnastics.

    My post was not long lol. Though most of it was me repeating myself because your response didn't address what I said. Same for this last response, too!

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You are entirely missing pragmatism my friend. It's tragically important.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Your approach is not pragmatic, it is just what you have been told to do by your masters. It does nothing but entrench the genocuders and ensure that they will never have to think about you electorally. It's a self-defeat.

    I speak in terms of building leverage and organizations.

    Though really, the issue here seems to be that you refuse to engage with what I say.

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  • [+] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh I'm engaging.

    No, you are ignoring 90% of what I say so that I have to repeat myself because you say things I've already contradicted. I assume this is a defensive reaction to having your genocide support called out.

    You are fucking stupid. You are wrong. You are arguing in bad faith

    If I was any of those things you could run circles around me and tackle my arguments. Instead you are avoiding and ignoring nearly everything I say. In contrast, I have addressed basically everything you have said, despite those behaviors.

    You are now defensively lashing out rather than address what I said.

    I fully expect that you're a foreign actor or influenced by them. How's that for engaging.

    It's the opposite if engaging, it is playing with imaginary BS to continue lashing out rather than address what was said.

    Your support for genociders is not strategic and you do not sound like someone that is actually doing anything else. You sound like someone that really wants to vote for those genociders and then stop thinking about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    you: "Yes you absolutely should tacitly support genocide. If you don't tacitly support genocide then you're an accelerationist."

    There are other candidates you can vote for that are vastly lesser evils than both the fascist democrats and fascist republicans; candidates who are not actively funding and perpetrating genocide but actually, get this, opposing it. If instead of voting for one of those, you still choose to support a party committing genocide, you aren't just an accelerationist and wrong, you're fucking despicable, evil.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    False. It's too late. We're a month away from the election. Vote Kamala, the lesser evil, then join the Bernie campaign or the DSA to make some real change over the next 4 years. Now is pragmatically not the time for such battles. Know when to fold em.

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