▲ 405 ▼ Texas National Guardsman allegedly shoots across U.S. border wounding man in Mexico (www.cbsnews.com) submitted 2 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 59 comments fedilink hide all child comments A soldier with the Texas National Guard allegedly fired a gun near the U.S.-Mexico border, hitting a 22-year-old man across the border in Mexico. Mexican authorities and an advocate for human rights say the bullet crossed the border from El Paso on Saturday near the Bridge of the Americas. It then struck the man in the leg in Ciudad Juarez. According to the Border Network for Human Rights (BNHR), that man was not attempting to cross the border, but practicing sports with a group.
[–] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago* (3 children) If this happened as described, it's an overt act of war and Mexico is within its rights to invade the US, if it had the capability. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) No it's not. It might have been an accidental firing, it may have been some retard racist, it may have been twenty other things. Either way, two friendly neighbours that need each other's economies would not and should not start murmuring about war over relatively small incidents like these. Yes, it hugely sucks for the victim and the US should financially pay for everything but that is what you have diplomats for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It would be a casus belli, but it won't actually result in war. There's a difference. No matter what the situation, unless the US gives the shooter over to Mexico, it's a perfectly justified casus belli, just a useless one because there is no way that's happening and more diplomatic ways to handle it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago That is basically what I said. Friendly Countries don't typically go to war over the actions of an individual permalink fedilink source parent [–] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It might have been an accidental firing The chances of accidentally firing across a fucking river and hitting a moving person in the leg are approximately zero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Eh, no, it's not. Any idea how many people are killed by stray bullets, each year? Those parties where people start shooting in the air... Those bullets have to come back down at some point, and they do, and unfortunately too often on people too. It may have been on purpose, it may not. Claiming it's impossible is nonsense permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 9 points 2 years ago No. That's not at all right. Accidents happen, no two countries are going to go to war over one random person accidentally shot. It isn't going to lead to a nice conversation, but that doesn't mean it could (or should) lead to a war. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well no. A single dumbass soldier has never been a casus belli. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean... Archduke Franz Ferdinand was killed by a single man permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that war is one of the first examples always brought up of needless war in an era of rich people looking for glory as a distraction from boredom and a way to gain social rank. Not really a great example for this considering the refrain after was "never again". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wasn't really making any larger point or comment about it. Just saw your comment about a single dumbass never starting a war, and thought of good ol' Gravilo Princip. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) No it's not. It might have been an accidental firing, it may have been some retard racist, it may have been twenty other things. Either way, two friendly neighbours that need each other's economies would not and should not start murmuring about war over relatively small incidents like these. Yes, it hugely sucks for the victim and the US should financially pay for everything but that is what you have diplomats for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It would be a casus belli, but it won't actually result in war. There's a difference. No matter what the situation, unless the US gives the shooter over to Mexico, it's a perfectly justified casus belli, just a useless one because there is no way that's happening and more diplomatic ways to handle it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago That is basically what I said. Friendly Countries don't typically go to war over the actions of an individual permalink fedilink source parent [–] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It might have been an accidental firing The chances of accidentally firing across a fucking river and hitting a moving person in the leg are approximately zero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Eh, no, it's not. Any idea how many people are killed by stray bullets, each year? Those parties where people start shooting in the air... Those bullets have to come back down at some point, and they do, and unfortunately too often on people too. It may have been on purpose, it may not. Claiming it's impossible is nonsense permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It would be a casus belli, but it won't actually result in war. There's a difference. No matter what the situation, unless the US gives the shooter over to Mexico, it's a perfectly justified casus belli, just a useless one because there is no way that's happening and more diplomatic ways to handle it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago That is basically what I said. Friendly Countries don't typically go to war over the actions of an individual permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago That is basically what I said. Friendly Countries don't typically go to war over the actions of an individual permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It might have been an accidental firing The chances of accidentally firing across a fucking river and hitting a moving person in the leg are approximately zero. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Eh, no, it's not. Any idea how many people are killed by stray bullets, each year? Those parties where people start shooting in the air... Those bullets have to come back down at some point, and they do, and unfortunately too often on people too. It may have been on purpose, it may not. Claiming it's impossible is nonsense permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Eh, no, it's not. Any idea how many people are killed by stray bullets, each year? Those parties where people start shooting in the air... Those bullets have to come back down at some point, and they do, and unfortunately too often on people too. It may have been on purpose, it may not. Claiming it's impossible is nonsense permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 9 points 2 years ago No. That's not at all right. Accidents happen, no two countries are going to go to war over one random person accidentally shot. It isn't going to lead to a nice conversation, but that doesn't mean it could (or should) lead to a war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well no. A single dumbass soldier has never been a casus belli. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean... Archduke Franz Ferdinand was killed by a single man permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that war is one of the first examples always brought up of needless war in an era of rich people looking for glory as a distraction from boredom and a way to gain social rank. Not really a great example for this considering the refrain after was "never again". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wasn't really making any larger point or comment about it. Just saw your comment about a single dumbass never starting a war, and thought of good ol' Gravilo Princip. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean... Archduke Franz Ferdinand was killed by a single man permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that war is one of the first examples always brought up of needless war in an era of rich people looking for glory as a distraction from boredom and a way to gain social rank. Not really a great example for this considering the refrain after was "never again". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wasn't really making any larger point or comment about it. Just saw your comment about a single dumbass never starting a war, and thought of good ol' Gravilo Princip. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that war is one of the first examples always brought up of needless war in an era of rich people looking for glory as a distraction from boredom and a way to gain social rank. Not really a great example for this considering the refrain after was "never again". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wasn't really making any larger point or comment about it. Just saw your comment about a single dumbass never starting a war, and thought of good ol' Gravilo Princip. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wasn't really making any larger point or comment about it. Just saw your comment about a single dumbass never starting a war, and thought of good ol' Gravilo Princip. permalink fedilink source parent