▲ 289 ▼ Saudi Arabia: Man Sentenced to Death for Tweets (www.hrw.org) submitted 3 years ago by alphacyberranger@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 42 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 47 points 3 years ago (5 children) This is why we need a free and open internet without central controls. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 89 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think what we need is governments that don't kill someone over something he says first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 34 points 3 years ago (1 child) You have been banned from c/Conservative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* Hahaha permalink fedilink source parent [–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) There will always be people in power who use that power to stay in power, its the human condition. The best thing we can do is build systems to help people have free expression that can't be censored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago* (1 child) How would that stop this specific situation at all? The guy wasn't censored from tweeting, he's sentenced to death because he tweeted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We get to talk about it, we are aware of it, we can work together as a community to appeal the government, apply sanctions, etc. This man is being punished for speech, ensuring speech is available to everyone is the least we can do going forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) And of course that's important, but your first comment seemed to imply that uncensored internet would have prevented this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago "Sad this guy is being murdered, but what we really should be talking about is the cause I'm interested in." permalink fedilink source parent [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) reported permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What did you report me for? I'm genuinely curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We know what mods do, what do you think a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Censors disruptive users. According to their personal definition of disruptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Let me try and understand you, because jet says its good to have platforms/tools that allow for free anonymous expression like Lemmy/Mastodon/VPN/TOR/Zeronet/etc.. this somehow is an attack against the mods on Lemmy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent [+] WtfEvenIsExistence@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 3 years ago* This is exactly why TOR was created, we can't legislate people safe world wide, but we can give them a voice and a means to communicate. End to End Encryption is necessary. People who are free to create systems without danger should do so to help those who are in danger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 4 points 3 years ago Technically, we could say if the internet was extremely censored and blocked any access to Twitter or VPNs, he wouldn't be sentenced to death for that reason (but probably killed for another bullshit reason) permalink fedilink source parent [+] Carighan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) decentralized internet cannot work You heard it here first, folks! Right here in the Fediverse! Let's go ahead and turn these servers off now, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You couldn't have read like two sentences forward from that? Or do you always post before you read something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Oh, I read the whole thing and I regretted it. I realized I could have just stopped right there at the beginning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Thank you for putting words into my mouth. That is not what I was trying to say. There will always be bad actors, we have to make people resilient to bad actors. The internet, at is core, is designed to be decentralized and work even when huge portions are taken out. Distributed and partionable. Also your posting on Lemmy part of the fediverse, which is also decentralized and without central control. https://www.hrw.org/topic/technology-and-rights permalink fedilink source parent [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago (1 child) And unicorns too now that we're dreaming permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I can't build a unicorn. But i can help build a free and open internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Like governments would let you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 9 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You realize your on a open decentralized platform without central controls right now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 3laws@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, they clearly didn't read the Fediverse introduction some instances have during sign up! permalink fedilink source parent [–] INeedMana@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) It still relies on government infrastructure. If a government really wants, it can tell its CERT to block some IP range and probably protocols too. If you can block for example torrent at university campus, you can also block it on a country level. I remember hearing around the time of Occupy Wall Street about a guy that wanted to create a fully civil network. Everyone wanting to be a part of it would set up a wi-fi node in their home. It seems the idea did not get traction, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=2mJChhilYNM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 89 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think what we need is governments that don't kill someone over something he says first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 34 points 3 years ago (1 child) You have been banned from c/Conservative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* Hahaha permalink fedilink source parent [–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) There will always be people in power who use that power to stay in power, its the human condition. The best thing we can do is build systems to help people have free expression that can't be censored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago* (1 child) How would that stop this specific situation at all? The guy wasn't censored from tweeting, he's sentenced to death because he tweeted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We get to talk about it, we are aware of it, we can work together as a community to appeal the government, apply sanctions, etc. This man is being punished for speech, ensuring speech is available to everyone is the least we can do going forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) And of course that's important, but your first comment seemed to imply that uncensored internet would have prevented this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago "Sad this guy is being murdered, but what we really should be talking about is the cause I'm interested in." permalink fedilink source parent [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) reported permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What did you report me for? I'm genuinely curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We know what mods do, what do you think a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Censors disruptive users. According to their personal definition of disruptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Let me try and understand you, because jet says its good to have platforms/tools that allow for free anonymous expression like Lemmy/Mastodon/VPN/TOR/Zeronet/etc.. this somehow is an attack against the mods on Lemmy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 34 points 3 years ago (1 child) You have been banned from c/Conservative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* Hahaha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) There will always be people in power who use that power to stay in power, its the human condition. The best thing we can do is build systems to help people have free expression that can't be censored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago* (1 child) How would that stop this specific situation at all? The guy wasn't censored from tweeting, he's sentenced to death because he tweeted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We get to talk about it, we are aware of it, we can work together as a community to appeal the government, apply sanctions, etc. This man is being punished for speech, ensuring speech is available to everyone is the least we can do going forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) And of course that's important, but your first comment seemed to imply that uncensored internet would have prevented this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago "Sad this guy is being murdered, but what we really should be talking about is the cause I'm interested in." permalink fedilink source parent [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) reported permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What did you report me for? I'm genuinely curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We know what mods do, what do you think a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Censors disruptive users. According to their personal definition of disruptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Let me try and understand you, because jet says its good to have platforms/tools that allow for free anonymous expression like Lemmy/Mastodon/VPN/TOR/Zeronet/etc.. this somehow is an attack against the mods on Lemmy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago* (1 child) How would that stop this specific situation at all? The guy wasn't censored from tweeting, he's sentenced to death because he tweeted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We get to talk about it, we are aware of it, we can work together as a community to appeal the government, apply sanctions, etc. This man is being punished for speech, ensuring speech is available to everyone is the least we can do going forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) And of course that's important, but your first comment seemed to imply that uncensored internet would have prevented this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago "Sad this guy is being murdered, but what we really should be talking about is the cause I'm interested in." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We get to talk about it, we are aware of it, we can work together as a community to appeal the government, apply sanctions, etc. This man is being punished for speech, ensuring speech is available to everyone is the least we can do going forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) And of course that's important, but your first comment seemed to imply that uncensored internet would have prevented this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago "Sad this guy is being murdered, but what we really should be talking about is the cause I'm interested in." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) And of course that's important, but your first comment seemed to imply that uncensored internet would have prevented this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago "Sad this guy is being murdered, but what we really should be talking about is the cause I'm interested in." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago "Sad this guy is being murdered, but what we really should be talking about is the cause I'm interested in." permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) reported permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What did you report me for? I'm genuinely curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We know what mods do, what do you think a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Censors disruptive users. According to their personal definition of disruptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Let me try and understand you, because jet says its good to have platforms/tools that allow for free anonymous expression like Lemmy/Mastodon/VPN/TOR/Zeronet/etc.. this somehow is an attack against the mods on Lemmy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What did you report me for? I'm genuinely curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We know what mods do, what do you think a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Censors disruptive users. According to their personal definition of disruptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Let me try and understand you, because jet says its good to have platforms/tools that allow for free anonymous expression like Lemmy/Mastodon/VPN/TOR/Zeronet/etc.. this somehow is an attack against the mods on Lemmy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We know what mods do, what do you think a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Censors disruptive users. According to their personal definition of disruptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Let me try and understand you, because jet says its good to have platforms/tools that allow for free anonymous expression like Lemmy/Mastodon/VPN/TOR/Zeronet/etc.. this somehow is an attack against the mods on Lemmy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) We know what mods do, what do you think a moderator do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Censors disruptive users. According to their personal definition of disruptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Let me try and understand you, because jet says its good to have platforms/tools that allow for free anonymous expression like Lemmy/Mastodon/VPN/TOR/Zeronet/etc.. this somehow is an attack against the mods on Lemmy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Censors disruptive users. According to their personal definition of disruptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Let me try and understand you, because jet says its good to have platforms/tools that allow for free anonymous expression like Lemmy/Mastodon/VPN/TOR/Zeronet/etc.. this somehow is an attack against the mods on Lemmy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Let me try and understand you, because jet says its good to have platforms/tools that allow for free anonymous expression like Lemmy/Mastodon/VPN/TOR/Zeronet/etc.. this somehow is an attack against the mods on Lemmy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) No, I'm correcting their implication that the fediverse is some free speech absolutist haven. And anyone foolish enough to think the governments of the world aren't watching, and can't find you, will find out that they are very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Then why didn't you just write that instead of reported? Because of cause the fediverse is not free speech absolutist place, but it's more free than a corporate form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's a joke. That more people didn't get it just makes it funnier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago You got me so here's your star ⭐😁 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WtfEvenIsExistence@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 3 years ago* This is exactly why TOR was created, we can't legislate people safe world wide, but we can give them a voice and a means to communicate. End to End Encryption is necessary. People who are free to create systems without danger should do so to help those who are in danger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 3 years ago* This is exactly why TOR was created, we can't legislate people safe world wide, but we can give them a voice and a means to communicate. End to End Encryption is necessary. People who are free to create systems without danger should do so to help those who are in danger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 4 points 3 years ago Technically, we could say if the internet was extremely censored and blocked any access to Twitter or VPNs, he wouldn't be sentenced to death for that reason (but probably killed for another bullshit reason) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Carighan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) decentralized internet cannot work You heard it here first, folks! Right here in the Fediverse! Let's go ahead and turn these servers off now, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You couldn't have read like two sentences forward from that? Or do you always post before you read something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Oh, I read the whole thing and I regretted it. I realized I could have just stopped right there at the beginning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Thank you for putting words into my mouth. That is not what I was trying to say. There will always be bad actors, we have to make people resilient to bad actors. The internet, at is core, is designed to be decentralized and work even when huge portions are taken out. Distributed and partionable. Also your posting on Lemmy part of the fediverse, which is also decentralized and without central control. https://www.hrw.org/topic/technology-and-rights permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) decentralized internet cannot work You heard it here first, folks! Right here in the Fediverse! Let's go ahead and turn these servers off now, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You couldn't have read like two sentences forward from that? Or do you always post before you read something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Oh, I read the whole thing and I regretted it. I realized I could have just stopped right there at the beginning. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You couldn't have read like two sentences forward from that? Or do you always post before you read something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Oh, I read the whole thing and I regretted it. I realized I could have just stopped right there at the beginning. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Oh, I read the whole thing and I regretted it. I realized I could have just stopped right there at the beginning. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Thank you for putting words into my mouth. That is not what I was trying to say. There will always be bad actors, we have to make people resilient to bad actors. The internet, at is core, is designed to be decentralized and work even when huge portions are taken out. Distributed and partionable. Also your posting on Lemmy part of the fediverse, which is also decentralized and without central control. https://www.hrw.org/topic/technology-and-rights permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago (1 child) And unicorns too now that we're dreaming permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I can't build a unicorn. But i can help build a free and open internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Like governments would let you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 9 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You realize your on a open decentralized platform without central controls right now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 3laws@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, they clearly didn't read the Fediverse introduction some instances have during sign up! permalink fedilink source parent [–] INeedMana@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) It still relies on government infrastructure. If a government really wants, it can tell its CERT to block some IP range and probably protocols too. If you can block for example torrent at university campus, you can also block it on a country level. I remember hearing around the time of Occupy Wall Street about a guy that wanted to create a fully civil network. Everyone wanting to be a part of it would set up a wi-fi node in their home. It seems the idea did not get traction, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=2mJChhilYNM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I can't build a unicorn. But i can help build a free and open internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Like governments would let you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 9 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You realize your on a open decentralized platform without central controls right now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 3laws@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, they clearly didn't read the Fediverse introduction some instances have during sign up! permalink fedilink source parent [–] INeedMana@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) It still relies on government infrastructure. If a government really wants, it can tell its CERT to block some IP range and probably protocols too. If you can block for example torrent at university campus, you can also block it on a country level. I remember hearing around the time of Occupy Wall Street about a guy that wanted to create a fully civil network. Everyone wanting to be a part of it would set up a wi-fi node in their home. It seems the idea did not get traction, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=2mJChhilYNM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Like governments would let you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 9 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You realize your on a open decentralized platform without central controls right now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 3laws@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, they clearly didn't read the Fediverse introduction some instances have during sign up! permalink fedilink source parent [–] INeedMana@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) It still relies on government infrastructure. If a government really wants, it can tell its CERT to block some IP range and probably protocols too. If you can block for example torrent at university campus, you can also block it on a country level. I remember hearing around the time of Occupy Wall Street about a guy that wanted to create a fully civil network. Everyone wanting to be a part of it would set up a wi-fi node in their home. It seems the idea did not get traction, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=2mJChhilYNM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 9 points 3 years ago* (2 children) You realize your on a open decentralized platform without central controls right now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 3laws@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, they clearly didn't read the Fediverse introduction some instances have during sign up! permalink fedilink source parent [–] INeedMana@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) It still relies on government infrastructure. If a government really wants, it can tell its CERT to block some IP range and probably protocols too. If you can block for example torrent at university campus, you can also block it on a country level. I remember hearing around the time of Occupy Wall Street about a guy that wanted to create a fully civil network. Everyone wanting to be a part of it would set up a wi-fi node in their home. It seems the idea did not get traction, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=2mJChhilYNM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, they clearly didn't read the Fediverse introduction some instances have during sign up! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] INeedMana@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) It still relies on government infrastructure. If a government really wants, it can tell its CERT to block some IP range and probably protocols too. If you can block for example torrent at university campus, you can also block it on a country level. I remember hearing around the time of Occupy Wall Street about a guy that wanted to create a fully civil network. Everyone wanting to be a part of it would set up a wi-fi node in their home. It seems the idea did not get traction, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=2mJChhilYNM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=2mJChhilYNM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent