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[–] d_k_bo@feddit.org 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unlike X11, Wayland was never intended to be network transparent. As others say, solutions like waypipe and more tradionally RDP and VNC exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Exactly. We won’t. We’ll get specialized video stream over network. I’m not happy about this regression. I understand that was a willing sacrifice to achieve better local performance, but I’m not sure it was worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MinFapper@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their reasoning was that X11 network transparency had been broken for quite some time. If you tried running chrome, most games, or anything with modern hardware acceleration over X11 forwarding, they wouldn't work. So, IMHO waypipe is actually an improvement in terms of compatibility, rather than a regression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago You always had the option to send frames over the net using VNC and such. But for many use cases, X over SSH was absolutely fantastic. I remember using it on a very basic DSL connection to work remotely back in 2005, and it was almost like running local. You don’t get anywhere near the same performance with VNC or RDP. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s more about security if I recall correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) How so? Is there a way for malicious code to start injecting itself into calls to 127.0.0.1? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sorry, I am not an expert myself, but I think there are some recourses about that in the internet Or, this file on x.org: “But the X protocol is still unsecure by design…” https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014DodierPeresSecurity/xorg-talk.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Exactly. We won’t. We’ll get specialized video stream over network. I’m not happy about this regression. I understand that was a willing sacrifice to achieve better local performance, but I’m not sure it was worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MinFapper@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their reasoning was that X11 network transparency had been broken for quite some time. If you tried running chrome, most games, or anything with modern hardware acceleration over X11 forwarding, they wouldn't work. So, IMHO waypipe is actually an improvement in terms of compatibility, rather than a regression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago You always had the option to send frames over the net using VNC and such. But for many use cases, X over SSH was absolutely fantastic. I remember using it on a very basic DSL connection to work remotely back in 2005, and it was almost like running local. You don’t get anywhere near the same performance with VNC or RDP. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s more about security if I recall correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) How so? Is there a way for malicious code to start injecting itself into calls to 127.0.0.1? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sorry, I am not an expert myself, but I think there are some recourses about that in the internet Or, this file on x.org: “But the X protocol is still unsecure by design…” https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014DodierPeresSecurity/xorg-talk.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MinFapper@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Their reasoning was that X11 network transparency had been broken for quite some time. If you tried running chrome, most games, or anything with modern hardware acceleration over X11 forwarding, they wouldn't work. So, IMHO waypipe is actually an improvement in terms of compatibility, rather than a regression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago You always had the option to send frames over the net using VNC and such. But for many use cases, X over SSH was absolutely fantastic. I remember using it on a very basic DSL connection to work remotely back in 2005, and it was almost like running local. You don’t get anywhere near the same performance with VNC or RDP. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago You always had the option to send frames over the net using VNC and such. But for many use cases, X over SSH was absolutely fantastic. I remember using it on a very basic DSL connection to work remotely back in 2005, and it was almost like running local. You don’t get anywhere near the same performance with VNC or RDP. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s more about security if I recall correctly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) How so? Is there a way for malicious code to start injecting itself into calls to 127.0.0.1? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sorry, I am not an expert myself, but I think there are some recourses about that in the internet Or, this file on x.org: “But the X protocol is still unsecure by design…” https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014DodierPeresSecurity/xorg-talk.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) How so? Is there a way for malicious code to start injecting itself into calls to 127.0.0.1? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sorry, I am not an expert myself, but I think there are some recourses about that in the internet Or, this file on x.org: “But the X protocol is still unsecure by design…” https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014DodierPeresSecurity/xorg-talk.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sorry, I am not an expert myself, but I think there are some recourses about that in the internet Or, this file on x.org: “But the X protocol is still unsecure by design…” https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014DodierPeresSecurity/xorg-talk.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, to send it naked over the wire would be nuts, which is why everybody uses SSH. But unless there’s insecurity within the computer, that’s a moot point. permalink fedilink source parent
