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Linus Torvalds: Speaks on the Rust vs C Linux Divide (www.youtube.com)
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Linus Torvalds Speaks on the the divide between Rust and C Linux developers an the future Linux. Will things like fragmentation among the open source community hurt the Linux Kernel? We'll listen to the Creator of Linux.

For the full key note, checkout: Keynote: Linus Torvalds in Conversation with Dirk Hohndel

The Register's summary: Torvalds weighs in on 'nasty' Rust vs C for Linux debate

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[–] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You can't improve and break silence without discussing and making changes. The existing maintainers won't live forever, having Rust in the Kernel is a bet on the future. Linus wouldn't have adopted and accepted Rust, if he wasn't thinking its worth it. And looks like it was already worth it.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Do you have something against it? People hate on it like it's a fad or whatever. But, the people who like it, LOVE it.

    Rust is the most admired language, more than 80% of developers that use it want to use it again next year. 

    https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#overview

    Rust is on its seventh year as the most loved language with 87% of developers saying they want to continue using it.

    https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#overview

    8 years in a row. I can understand the perspective of someone who spent years honing their craft in C/C++ and not wanting to learn a new language. But, the Harassment of the "Rust in Linux Lead" is ridiculous. I'm not saying you are harassing. But, saying it's a tech bro thing is just negative and doesn't do justice to how many devs just like rust.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Fair enough. Personally, I am a developer who only has worked professionally in C#. C/C++ scare me. I would get used to it if I were to use it professionally. on the other hand, I picked up rust as a hobby language for some low level stuff because I love the guardrails the compiler provides. I think rust would help make me a better C programmer TBH.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    @lambda @x00za Well for what it's worth, there is Redox, a Posix compliant kernel written entirely in Rust. There are some other aspects of Redox I don't like, chiefly it's use of a microkernel, which, while it makes portability better it exacts a performance penalty, and of having all drivers operate in userland, perhaps better from a security standpoint but again exacts a performance penalty.

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  • [+] -23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The existing maintainers won’t live forever, having Rust in the Kernel is a bet on the future.

    You're drastically reducing your talent base by requiring membership in two groups of experts. Well done.

    The comma splice gives it away, but you're new at organizing groups and practicing set theory, aren't you?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    No. That does not mean they have to program in both languages. If the programmer only understand one language (which would be a shame), then they only need to program in their field. This increases the talent base, not reduces it. C programmers do not need to be a Rust expert, so what in the world are you saying there? They just need to cooperate!

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