▲ 424 ▼ Israel detonates Hezbollah walkie-talkies in second wave after pager attack (www.axios.com) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Wilshire@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 206 comments fedilink hide all child comments The sound of many of them exploding
[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 144 points 2 years ago (1 child) supply chain attacks are dirty tactics too, they have no idea who is holding 3000 pagers when detonation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee -25 points 2 years ago (4 children) For smartphones they actually could, they could tie the lipo pack serial number to the imei and work everything out from there. Then make sure it's been unlocked via biometrics within a second or so. It's very rare that someone else holds a phone to be unlocked for you, though it does happen, still the closest to a targeted kill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You would have to guarantee those phones would eventually end up in the right person's hands. Otherwise if you sabotage 100 phones and only 30 go to your targets, even if you only detonate those 30 there are now 70 phones out there randomly floating around with enough explosives to kill some random person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, and this is assuming that even the ones with your target isn't hidden in a box under his kid's bed when it goes off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I use a code to unlock. Biometrics can be unlocked while unconscious or restrained. Fuck that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) since English isn’t something you’re comfortable reading I'm having a hard time figuring out what they said that merited this level of hostility. They weren't even arguing with you!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) They're just another incoherent zio cultist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago That's great, dehumanize people so you can shirk your ethics and treat them as lesser. Where have I seen this move before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 You act like such a Zionist, it's hilarious to watch you speak yourself into a corner. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago They were using pagers and walkie talkies to evade the cellphone tracking that the Israelis were already doing. They wouldn’t have taken the cell phones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) But this only works if you know the identity of every member of the organization, which is impossible, again making this a terror campaign and not a targeted attack. And you have to detonate them all at once or people will throw away the devices. You can't wait for the 100,00 people who belong to the organization to have just unlocked their devices all at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, but you can mark which pager numbers are in combatant possession and which ones are with civvies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wtf? You're killing everybody, you're killing the most influential leaders you know about. This was stupid, and will make Israel's life harder but Bibi is too narcissistic to accept that. This is also Mossad trying to wipe off O7 attacks by showering in blood, which is just stupid. Nothing about this makes sense as an adult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sire what you're replying to. My comment was that using smart phones wouldn't be effective in the way you mentioned. Relying on people 100,000 people that belong to Hezbollah to unlock their phones all at the same time to verify that's who is holding the device. There is no possible way to make an attack like this targeted. It would always result in a large percentage of innocent casualties no matter what you do. The only use for it is a terrorist attack, which is what this was. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee -25 points 2 years ago (4 children) For smartphones they actually could, they could tie the lipo pack serial number to the imei and work everything out from there. Then make sure it's been unlocked via biometrics within a second or so. It's very rare that someone else holds a phone to be unlocked for you, though it does happen, still the closest to a targeted kill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You would have to guarantee those phones would eventually end up in the right person's hands. Otherwise if you sabotage 100 phones and only 30 go to your targets, even if you only detonate those 30 there are now 70 phones out there randomly floating around with enough explosives to kill some random person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, and this is assuming that even the ones with your target isn't hidden in a box under his kid's bed when it goes off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I use a code to unlock. Biometrics can be unlocked while unconscious or restrained. Fuck that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) since English isn’t something you’re comfortable reading I'm having a hard time figuring out what they said that merited this level of hostility. They weren't even arguing with you!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) They're just another incoherent zio cultist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago That's great, dehumanize people so you can shirk your ethics and treat them as lesser. Where have I seen this move before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 You act like such a Zionist, it's hilarious to watch you speak yourself into a corner. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago They were using pagers and walkie talkies to evade the cellphone tracking that the Israelis were already doing. They wouldn’t have taken the cell phones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) But this only works if you know the identity of every member of the organization, which is impossible, again making this a terror campaign and not a targeted attack. And you have to detonate them all at once or people will throw away the devices. You can't wait for the 100,00 people who belong to the organization to have just unlocked their devices all at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, but you can mark which pager numbers are in combatant possession and which ones are with civvies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wtf? You're killing everybody, you're killing the most influential leaders you know about. This was stupid, and will make Israel's life harder but Bibi is too narcissistic to accept that. This is also Mossad trying to wipe off O7 attacks by showering in blood, which is just stupid. Nothing about this makes sense as an adult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sire what you're replying to. My comment was that using smart phones wouldn't be effective in the way you mentioned. Relying on people 100,000 people that belong to Hezbollah to unlock their phones all at the same time to verify that's who is holding the device. There is no possible way to make an attack like this targeted. It would always result in a large percentage of innocent casualties no matter what you do. The only use for it is a terrorist attack, which is what this was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You would have to guarantee those phones would eventually end up in the right person's hands. Otherwise if you sabotage 100 phones and only 30 go to your targets, even if you only detonate those 30 there are now 70 phones out there randomly floating around with enough explosives to kill some random person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, and this is assuming that even the ones with your target isn't hidden in a box under his kid's bed when it goes off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, and this is assuming that even the ones with your target isn't hidden in a box under his kid's bed when it goes off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I use a code to unlock. Biometrics can be unlocked while unconscious or restrained. Fuck that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) since English isn’t something you’re comfortable reading I'm having a hard time figuring out what they said that merited this level of hostility. They weren't even arguing with you!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) They're just another incoherent zio cultist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago That's great, dehumanize people so you can shirk your ethics and treat them as lesser. Where have I seen this move before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 You act like such a Zionist, it's hilarious to watch you speak yourself into a corner. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee -15 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) since English isn’t something you’re comfortable reading I'm having a hard time figuring out what they said that merited this level of hostility. They weren't even arguing with you!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) They're just another incoherent zio cultist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago That's great, dehumanize people so you can shirk your ethics and treat them as lesser. Where have I seen this move before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 You act like such a Zionist, it's hilarious to watch you speak yourself into a corner. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) since English isn’t something you’re comfortable reading I'm having a hard time figuring out what they said that merited this level of hostility. They weren't even arguing with you!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) They're just another incoherent zio cultist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago That's great, dehumanize people so you can shirk your ethics and treat them as lesser. Where have I seen this move before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 You act like such a Zionist, it's hilarious to watch you speak yourself into a corner. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) They're just another incoherent zio cultist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago That's great, dehumanize people so you can shirk your ethics and treat them as lesser. Where have I seen this move before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 You act like such a Zionist, it's hilarious to watch you speak yourself into a corner. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago That's great, dehumanize people so you can shirk your ethics and treat them as lesser. Where have I seen this move before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 You act like such a Zionist, it's hilarious to watch you speak yourself into a corner. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago They were using pagers and walkie talkies to evade the cellphone tracking that the Israelis were already doing. They wouldn’t have taken the cell phones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) But this only works if you know the identity of every member of the organization, which is impossible, again making this a terror campaign and not a targeted attack. And you have to detonate them all at once or people will throw away the devices. You can't wait for the 100,00 people who belong to the organization to have just unlocked their devices all at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, but you can mark which pager numbers are in combatant possession and which ones are with civvies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wtf? You're killing everybody, you're killing the most influential leaders you know about. This was stupid, and will make Israel's life harder but Bibi is too narcissistic to accept that. This is also Mossad trying to wipe off O7 attacks by showering in blood, which is just stupid. Nothing about this makes sense as an adult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sire what you're replying to. My comment was that using smart phones wouldn't be effective in the way you mentioned. Relying on people 100,000 people that belong to Hezbollah to unlock their phones all at the same time to verify that's who is holding the device. There is no possible way to make an attack like this targeted. It would always result in a large percentage of innocent casualties no matter what you do. The only use for it is a terrorist attack, which is what this was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, but you can mark which pager numbers are in combatant possession and which ones are with civvies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wtf? You're killing everybody, you're killing the most influential leaders you know about. This was stupid, and will make Israel's life harder but Bibi is too narcissistic to accept that. This is also Mossad trying to wipe off O7 attacks by showering in blood, which is just stupid. Nothing about this makes sense as an adult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sire what you're replying to. My comment was that using smart phones wouldn't be effective in the way you mentioned. Relying on people 100,000 people that belong to Hezbollah to unlock their phones all at the same time to verify that's who is holding the device. There is no possible way to make an attack like this targeted. It would always result in a large percentage of innocent casualties no matter what you do. The only use for it is a terrorist attack, which is what this was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sire what you're replying to. My comment was that using smart phones wouldn't be effective in the way you mentioned. Relying on people 100,000 people that belong to Hezbollah to unlock their phones all at the same time to verify that's who is holding the device. There is no possible way to make an attack like this targeted. It would always result in a large percentage of innocent casualties no matter what you do. The only use for it is a terrorist attack, which is what this was. permalink fedilink source parent
