▲ 488 ▼ Lebanon’s health minister says 8 killed, 2,750 wounded by exploding pagers (www.aljazeera.com) submitted 2 years ago by technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 244 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wonder if you wouldve said the same thing about 9/11 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) 9/11 targeted and killed civilians. This attack largely struck Hezbollah militants, who are in open hostilities with Israel. Doing things this way is far better than the seemingly indiscriminate bombing in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) You know not everyone in Hezbollah is a « militant » right? They have a large political party and civilian governance apparatus. This is terrorism, nothing new to Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] evranch@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Militants specifically use these pagers for security and stealth. Everyone else just uses phones. It's a brilliant way to target only combatants, and also expose them to their friends and neighbours. This attack is incredibly disruptive with very little collateral damage compared to alternatives. And yes, it's terrorism, an attack meant to inspire terror and disrupt communication networks with a chilling effect much larger than the actual damage. However it's interesting as unlike most terrorism it does not target civilians. It's also terrifying to think we are living in a world where a malicious component attack is a legitimate concern. This is one of those moments that change the world - I'm sure every industry is thinking about the danger of their foreign supply chain right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago Oh so everyone there who had a pager must have been a bad guy. Got it, solid logic. Can't wait for the war to spread further. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) unlike most terrorism it does not target civilians. Also, unlike most of the IDF attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago To take this to it's logical extreme, how do you feel about assassination attempts on high ranking Nazi officials? They're non combatants, after all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I'm sure Islamic State and the Taliban have non-combatant elements too. I don't mind Israel defending against militant groups that fire rockets into Israel. I do mind them carpet-bombing civilian populations. This pager-thing seems to have the hallmarks of an operation that manages to cripple Hezbollah with a minimal loss of life and even fairly low civilian casualties. I much prefer Israel do this over the alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) As does america have non-combat elements too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US army does indeed, and they would be valid military targets. People working for the EPA, perhaps not so much. Hezbollah however is structured towards support for the militant arm, as the Lebanese government handles civilian tasks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Well it seems its up to the attacker to decide what is considered valid military targets. Al Qaeda viewed 9/11 as a valid military target. Indiscriminate killing is always bad, no matter how targeted you think it is. In this case it was mass maiming, oh and a few kids died right? That'll teach em to stop being bad people won't it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) 9/11 targeted and killed civilians. This attack largely struck Hezbollah militants, who are in open hostilities with Israel. Doing things this way is far better than the seemingly indiscriminate bombing in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) You know not everyone in Hezbollah is a « militant » right? They have a large political party and civilian governance apparatus. This is terrorism, nothing new to Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] evranch@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Militants specifically use these pagers for security and stealth. Everyone else just uses phones. It's a brilliant way to target only combatants, and also expose them to their friends and neighbours. This attack is incredibly disruptive with very little collateral damage compared to alternatives. And yes, it's terrorism, an attack meant to inspire terror and disrupt communication networks with a chilling effect much larger than the actual damage. However it's interesting as unlike most terrorism it does not target civilians. It's also terrifying to think we are living in a world where a malicious component attack is a legitimate concern. This is one of those moments that change the world - I'm sure every industry is thinking about the danger of their foreign supply chain right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago Oh so everyone there who had a pager must have been a bad guy. Got it, solid logic. Can't wait for the war to spread further. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) unlike most terrorism it does not target civilians. Also, unlike most of the IDF attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago To take this to it's logical extreme, how do you feel about assassination attempts on high ranking Nazi officials? They're non combatants, after all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I'm sure Islamic State and the Taliban have non-combatant elements too. I don't mind Israel defending against militant groups that fire rockets into Israel. I do mind them carpet-bombing civilian populations. This pager-thing seems to have the hallmarks of an operation that manages to cripple Hezbollah with a minimal loss of life and even fairly low civilian casualties. I much prefer Israel do this over the alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) As does america have non-combat elements too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US army does indeed, and they would be valid military targets. People working for the EPA, perhaps not so much. Hezbollah however is structured towards support for the militant arm, as the Lebanese government handles civilian tasks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Well it seems its up to the attacker to decide what is considered valid military targets. Al Qaeda viewed 9/11 as a valid military target. Indiscriminate killing is always bad, no matter how targeted you think it is. In this case it was mass maiming, oh and a few kids died right? That'll teach em to stop being bad people won't it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] machineLearner@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) You know not everyone in Hezbollah is a « militant » right? They have a large political party and civilian governance apparatus. This is terrorism, nothing new to Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] evranch@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Militants specifically use these pagers for security and stealth. Everyone else just uses phones. It's a brilliant way to target only combatants, and also expose them to their friends and neighbours. This attack is incredibly disruptive with very little collateral damage compared to alternatives. And yes, it's terrorism, an attack meant to inspire terror and disrupt communication networks with a chilling effect much larger than the actual damage. However it's interesting as unlike most terrorism it does not target civilians. It's also terrifying to think we are living in a world where a malicious component attack is a legitimate concern. This is one of those moments that change the world - I'm sure every industry is thinking about the danger of their foreign supply chain right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago Oh so everyone there who had a pager must have been a bad guy. Got it, solid logic. Can't wait for the war to spread further. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) unlike most terrorism it does not target civilians. Also, unlike most of the IDF attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago To take this to it's logical extreme, how do you feel about assassination attempts on high ranking Nazi officials? They're non combatants, after all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I'm sure Islamic State and the Taliban have non-combatant elements too. I don't mind Israel defending against militant groups that fire rockets into Israel. I do mind them carpet-bombing civilian populations. This pager-thing seems to have the hallmarks of an operation that manages to cripple Hezbollah with a minimal loss of life and even fairly low civilian casualties. I much prefer Israel do this over the alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) As does america have non-combat elements too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US army does indeed, and they would be valid military targets. People working for the EPA, perhaps not so much. Hezbollah however is structured towards support for the militant arm, as the Lebanese government handles civilian tasks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Well it seems its up to the attacker to decide what is considered valid military targets. Al Qaeda viewed 9/11 as a valid military target. Indiscriminate killing is always bad, no matter how targeted you think it is. In this case it was mass maiming, oh and a few kids died right? That'll teach em to stop being bad people won't it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Militants specifically use these pagers for security and stealth. Everyone else just uses phones. It's a brilliant way to target only combatants, and also expose them to their friends and neighbours. This attack is incredibly disruptive with very little collateral damage compared to alternatives. And yes, it's terrorism, an attack meant to inspire terror and disrupt communication networks with a chilling effect much larger than the actual damage. However it's interesting as unlike most terrorism it does not target civilians. It's also terrifying to think we are living in a world where a malicious component attack is a legitimate concern. This is one of those moments that change the world - I'm sure every industry is thinking about the danger of their foreign supply chain right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago Oh so everyone there who had a pager must have been a bad guy. Got it, solid logic. Can't wait for the war to spread further. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) unlike most terrorism it does not target civilians. Also, unlike most of the IDF attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago Oh so everyone there who had a pager must have been a bad guy. Got it, solid logic. Can't wait for the war to spread further. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) unlike most terrorism it does not target civilians. Also, unlike most of the IDF attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago To take this to it's logical extreme, how do you feel about assassination attempts on high ranking Nazi officials? They're non combatants, after all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I'm sure Islamic State and the Taliban have non-combatant elements too. I don't mind Israel defending against militant groups that fire rockets into Israel. I do mind them carpet-bombing civilian populations. This pager-thing seems to have the hallmarks of an operation that manages to cripple Hezbollah with a minimal loss of life and even fairly low civilian casualties. I much prefer Israel do this over the alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) As does america have non-combat elements too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US army does indeed, and they would be valid military targets. People working for the EPA, perhaps not so much. Hezbollah however is structured towards support for the militant arm, as the Lebanese government handles civilian tasks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Well it seems its up to the attacker to decide what is considered valid military targets. Al Qaeda viewed 9/11 as a valid military target. Indiscriminate killing is always bad, no matter how targeted you think it is. In this case it was mass maiming, oh and a few kids died right? That'll teach em to stop being bad people won't it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) As does america have non-combat elements too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US army does indeed, and they would be valid military targets. People working for the EPA, perhaps not so much. Hezbollah however is structured towards support for the militant arm, as the Lebanese government handles civilian tasks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Well it seems its up to the attacker to decide what is considered valid military targets. Al Qaeda viewed 9/11 as a valid military target. Indiscriminate killing is always bad, no matter how targeted you think it is. In this case it was mass maiming, oh and a few kids died right? That'll teach em to stop being bad people won't it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US army does indeed, and they would be valid military targets. People working for the EPA, perhaps not so much. Hezbollah however is structured towards support for the militant arm, as the Lebanese government handles civilian tasks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Well it seems its up to the attacker to decide what is considered valid military targets. Al Qaeda viewed 9/11 as a valid military target. Indiscriminate killing is always bad, no matter how targeted you think it is. In this case it was mass maiming, oh and a few kids died right? That'll teach em to stop being bad people won't it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Well it seems its up to the attacker to decide what is considered valid military targets. Al Qaeda viewed 9/11 as a valid military target. Indiscriminate killing is always bad, no matter how targeted you think it is. In this case it was mass maiming, oh and a few kids died right? That'll teach em to stop being bad people won't it! permalink fedilink source parent