▲ 488 ▼ Lebanon’s health minister says 8 killed, 2,750 wounded by exploding pagers (www.aljazeera.com) submitted 2 years ago by technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 244 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, yes, the 2758 people were all Hezbollah. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] filister@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Most likely most of them were though. I mean I don't think many people outside Hezbollah were using pagers, not to mention that most likely they tampered one or two batches of them only. I am just wondering what the official government of Lebanon is thinking about this incident because in my opinion that's a huge blow into the sovereignty of a foreign country. Imagine something similar happens in Israel or the US, do you think those countries would sit on the diplomatic table and negotiate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) The problem with explosions is that they injure everyone nearby, not just the person with the explosion in their pocket. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can look up the videos. People standing three feet away are fine while the person with the pager is down for the count. Innocents are always harmed in war, but this was about as precise and just a strike as humanly possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I'm sure that'll make that girl's friends and remaining family feel much better. The explosions had to happen at the same time to be effective, and so people who were being attacked were in a variety of places. Detonating explosives in an uncontrolled variety of public places is not precise. permalink fedilink source parent [+] filister@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Agree, but the explosive inside is very low, so the damage is mostly going to be inflicted on the person who this pager belonged to. From the initial reports all the casualties were linked to Hezbollah and even the girl was a daughter of a member of Hezbollah. Me personally, I don't defend the actions of Israel, but still think it is a lot more targeted than dropping 2000lbs. bombs over densely populated areas. Another question is of course if this will achieve anything other than strengthening the resolve of those people. Unfortunately, nowadays to win a war, you simply need to be the richer and more advanced nation, and Israel has the upper hand here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) That "even the girl was a daughter of a member of Hezbollah" part got me very angry. Kids don't deserve to get blown up, even if their parents are mass murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I have never said that. What Israel is doing geopolitically is a grave mistake and would ultimately give birth to a lot more terrorists that they will kill ultimately and won't lead to any long lasting peaceful solution in the region. And all this is happening with the silent endorsement of the West, which is even more disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most would blame the mass murdering parent for endangering the child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this instance I'll blame whoever planted a couple of thousand explosives on people all over the place and detonated them simultaneously without caring who was nearby. Imagine one of them was on a plane carrying your mother, or one was dropping off their kid at the school your kid goes to, or at the supermarket with you behind them in line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one planted explosives all over the place in this scenario. We have videos of what happened, people standing nearby weren't harmed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where were the explosives then? One central place? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago They're already at war though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] filister@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Most likely most of them were though. I mean I don't think many people outside Hezbollah were using pagers, not to mention that most likely they tampered one or two batches of them only. I am just wondering what the official government of Lebanon is thinking about this incident because in my opinion that's a huge blow into the sovereignty of a foreign country. Imagine something similar happens in Israel or the US, do you think those countries would sit on the diplomatic table and negotiate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) The problem with explosions is that they injure everyone nearby, not just the person with the explosion in their pocket. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can look up the videos. People standing three feet away are fine while the person with the pager is down for the count. Innocents are always harmed in war, but this was about as precise and just a strike as humanly possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I'm sure that'll make that girl's friends and remaining family feel much better. The explosions had to happen at the same time to be effective, and so people who were being attacked were in a variety of places. Detonating explosives in an uncontrolled variety of public places is not precise. permalink fedilink source parent [+] filister@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Agree, but the explosive inside is very low, so the damage is mostly going to be inflicted on the person who this pager belonged to. From the initial reports all the casualties were linked to Hezbollah and even the girl was a daughter of a member of Hezbollah. Me personally, I don't defend the actions of Israel, but still think it is a lot more targeted than dropping 2000lbs. bombs over densely populated areas. Another question is of course if this will achieve anything other than strengthening the resolve of those people. Unfortunately, nowadays to win a war, you simply need to be the richer and more advanced nation, and Israel has the upper hand here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) That "even the girl was a daughter of a member of Hezbollah" part got me very angry. Kids don't deserve to get blown up, even if their parents are mass murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I have never said that. What Israel is doing geopolitically is a grave mistake and would ultimately give birth to a lot more terrorists that they will kill ultimately and won't lead to any long lasting peaceful solution in the region. And all this is happening with the silent endorsement of the West, which is even more disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most would blame the mass murdering parent for endangering the child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this instance I'll blame whoever planted a couple of thousand explosives on people all over the place and detonated them simultaneously without caring who was nearby. Imagine one of them was on a plane carrying your mother, or one was dropping off their kid at the school your kid goes to, or at the supermarket with you behind them in line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one planted explosives all over the place in this scenario. We have videos of what happened, people standing nearby weren't harmed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where were the explosives then? One central place? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago They're already at war though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) The problem with explosions is that they injure everyone nearby, not just the person with the explosion in their pocket. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can look up the videos. People standing three feet away are fine while the person with the pager is down for the count. Innocents are always harmed in war, but this was about as precise and just a strike as humanly possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I'm sure that'll make that girl's friends and remaining family feel much better. The explosions had to happen at the same time to be effective, and so people who were being attacked were in a variety of places. Detonating explosives in an uncontrolled variety of public places is not precise. permalink fedilink source parent [+] filister@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Agree, but the explosive inside is very low, so the damage is mostly going to be inflicted on the person who this pager belonged to. From the initial reports all the casualties were linked to Hezbollah and even the girl was a daughter of a member of Hezbollah. Me personally, I don't defend the actions of Israel, but still think it is a lot more targeted than dropping 2000lbs. bombs over densely populated areas. Another question is of course if this will achieve anything other than strengthening the resolve of those people. Unfortunately, nowadays to win a war, you simply need to be the richer and more advanced nation, and Israel has the upper hand here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) That "even the girl was a daughter of a member of Hezbollah" part got me very angry. Kids don't deserve to get blown up, even if their parents are mass murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I have never said that. What Israel is doing geopolitically is a grave mistake and would ultimately give birth to a lot more terrorists that they will kill ultimately and won't lead to any long lasting peaceful solution in the region. And all this is happening with the silent endorsement of the West, which is even more disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most would blame the mass murdering parent for endangering the child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this instance I'll blame whoever planted a couple of thousand explosives on people all over the place and detonated them simultaneously without caring who was nearby. Imagine one of them was on a plane carrying your mother, or one was dropping off their kid at the school your kid goes to, or at the supermarket with you behind them in line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one planted explosives all over the place in this scenario. We have videos of what happened, people standing nearby weren't harmed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where were the explosives then? One central place? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can look up the videos. People standing three feet away are fine while the person with the pager is down for the count. Innocents are always harmed in war, but this was about as precise and just a strike as humanly possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I'm sure that'll make that girl's friends and remaining family feel much better. The explosions had to happen at the same time to be effective, and so people who were being attacked were in a variety of places. Detonating explosives in an uncontrolled variety of public places is not precise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I'm sure that'll make that girl's friends and remaining family feel much better. The explosions had to happen at the same time to be effective, and so people who were being attacked were in a variety of places. Detonating explosives in an uncontrolled variety of public places is not precise. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] filister@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Agree, but the explosive inside is very low, so the damage is mostly going to be inflicted on the person who this pager belonged to. From the initial reports all the casualties were linked to Hezbollah and even the girl was a daughter of a member of Hezbollah. Me personally, I don't defend the actions of Israel, but still think it is a lot more targeted than dropping 2000lbs. bombs over densely populated areas. Another question is of course if this will achieve anything other than strengthening the resolve of those people. Unfortunately, nowadays to win a war, you simply need to be the richer and more advanced nation, and Israel has the upper hand here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) That "even the girl was a daughter of a member of Hezbollah" part got me very angry. Kids don't deserve to get blown up, even if their parents are mass murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I have never said that. What Israel is doing geopolitically is a grave mistake and would ultimately give birth to a lot more terrorists that they will kill ultimately and won't lead to any long lasting peaceful solution in the region. And all this is happening with the silent endorsement of the West, which is even more disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most would blame the mass murdering parent for endangering the child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this instance I'll blame whoever planted a couple of thousand explosives on people all over the place and detonated them simultaneously without caring who was nearby. Imagine one of them was on a plane carrying your mother, or one was dropping off their kid at the school your kid goes to, or at the supermarket with you behind them in line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one planted explosives all over the place in this scenario. We have videos of what happened, people standing nearby weren't harmed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where were the explosives then? One central place? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) That "even the girl was a daughter of a member of Hezbollah" part got me very angry. Kids don't deserve to get blown up, even if their parents are mass murderers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I have never said that. What Israel is doing geopolitically is a grave mistake and would ultimately give birth to a lot more terrorists that they will kill ultimately and won't lead to any long lasting peaceful solution in the region. And all this is happening with the silent endorsement of the West, which is even more disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most would blame the mass murdering parent for endangering the child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this instance I'll blame whoever planted a couple of thousand explosives on people all over the place and detonated them simultaneously without caring who was nearby. Imagine one of them was on a plane carrying your mother, or one was dropping off their kid at the school your kid goes to, or at the supermarket with you behind them in line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one planted explosives all over the place in this scenario. We have videos of what happened, people standing nearby weren't harmed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where were the explosives then? One central place? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I have never said that. What Israel is doing geopolitically is a grave mistake and would ultimately give birth to a lot more terrorists that they will kill ultimately and won't lead to any long lasting peaceful solution in the region. And all this is happening with the silent endorsement of the West, which is even more disturbing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most would blame the mass murdering parent for endangering the child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this instance I'll blame whoever planted a couple of thousand explosives on people all over the place and detonated them simultaneously without caring who was nearby. Imagine one of them was on a plane carrying your mother, or one was dropping off their kid at the school your kid goes to, or at the supermarket with you behind them in line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one planted explosives all over the place in this scenario. We have videos of what happened, people standing nearby weren't harmed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where were the explosives then? One central place? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this instance I'll blame whoever planted a couple of thousand explosives on people all over the place and detonated them simultaneously without caring who was nearby. Imagine one of them was on a plane carrying your mother, or one was dropping off their kid at the school your kid goes to, or at the supermarket with you behind them in line. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one planted explosives all over the place in this scenario. We have videos of what happened, people standing nearby weren't harmed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where were the explosives then? One central place? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one planted explosives all over the place in this scenario. We have videos of what happened, people standing nearby weren't harmed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where were the explosives then? One central place? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where were the explosives then? One central place? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) In pagers explicitly for receiving messages from a Hezbollah controlled network. About the only thing more direct would be putting more explosives in the rockets, but that would cause significantly more collateral damage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And where were the pagers when they exploded? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago They're already at war though. permalink fedilink source parent