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[–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wow. Pandering to the lowest common demoninator? Let me guess, was this in US?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Um, yeah? Teaching is not about awarding those who game the system the best. It's all about making sure that the "lowest common denominator" gets every chance to succeed.

    It's not a fucking leaderboard.

    Signed,

    a salty fucking teacher who will defend those students to the end.

    Edit: I'm gonna keep going on this because it's a subject that pisses me off to no end.

    I live in a place where the rich kids can afford to tutor during the summer, and some take extra classes to "get ahead" of the school year. And you know what those kids do?

    They sit in the classes, bored, because someone paid for them to do all this stuff early.

    And I'm not saying that learning extracurriculars is bad, in fact, it's wonderful! But if you paid somewhere to just take the same math class that you would have done anyway, well congrats. You got nothing. You beat Mario before everyone else.

    And even that would be fine, except the attitude that comes from them -- some as early as 6 years old! -- is that these fucking "remedials" are slowing them down, and they are "smart" all while a mountain of money and privilege supports them.

    And do those kids feel like they should help their fellow students learn? No! They just punch down harder, because no one in their families teaches them that learning is cooperative effort. Just get to the top of that fucking leaderboard and stay there at all costs. From fucking kindergarten onwards!

    Thanks for coming to my fucking ted talk.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So taking time out of your summer as a student and sacrificing fun for the love of learning is "gaming the system," and needs to be abolished? No wonder the United States school system is messed up...

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I explicitly said that the love of learning is great.

    And I'm not saying that learning extracurriculars is bad, in fact, it's wonderful!

    I'm talking about summer schools that literally just teach a class curriculum ahead of time. In that respect, yes, it is "gaming". The only thing those students learn is to get ahead and stay ahead.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Those students should be placed in more advanced classes then

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Who's going to teach them? We can't even hire enough teachers for the shitfestival that education is now, how do you find more teachers?

    Once you get those teachers who are skilled at driving advanced classes, would you require them also work in the poor performing classes?

    That's a conditions trap, now that good teacher is dealing with the administration and trauma burden of the low performing class making it complex for them to perform in the advanced class.

    Would you make them specialists? That's an equity and human resources management nightmare. Whid want to work in a class of hard students when classes of dreamy well behaved engaged kids is a possibility

    Do we keep it the same and continue to systemically disadvantage everyone?

    There are no easy answers. The entire education system needs to be invented and rebuilt from the ground up.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why take these summer breaks in the first place? Are your kids needed on the farms still? Or is it because salty teachers are underpaid and having summer breaks is th only way the US can convince them to work. Where is the data that summer breaks help any students at all? Poor or rich smart or lazy? What about the kids that don't get lunches when they are not in school? Summer slumping is a detriment to all, to society. I don't see many teachers willing to stand up to that as the underlying issue, and I don't see how it's fair to blame those that are either willing or able to fight it independently with additional learning. They are not the ones to aim your laser at.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I don't live in the US. I'm adequately paid, and the summers are short where I live. Take your strawmen and throw them back whatever hole you dug them out of.

    I can't speak about US problems, but what I'm talking about is education in general. I'll give you an example: I was teaching some students to read the other day, about 8 years old. One student clearly has the leg up on the other one. She goes to after school programs, short summer programs, the works. She can read about two levels higher than her classmate. Hey, that's great. And actually when reading is concerned, I'm happy that she can do that. But what happens is that when I need to slow down and actually teach that other student to read (at a level that's perfectly fine for her age), she groans, she gets impatient, she makes fun of that kid. And what happens to that other kid? She feels stupid, she feels inadequate.

    And ok, you might say, an intensive reading program is good! But one thing it does not teach these kids is that they are not better than anyone else, and even if they learn more, they need to also learn to be respectful to their fellow students.

    Tl;dr we're teaching them to be competitive, not good human beings

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