But you don't always know you are getting what you paid for from Amazon. I bought a pair of Knippex linesman pliers, brand new in the packaging. Their main claim to fame is they use harder steel than Klein. To test this you try to scratch the Kliens with the Knippex and you'll get a scratch on the Kliens, but the Kleins won't scratch the Knippex. Brand new pliers in hand I tried this test and had the opposite results. I had been shipped counterfeits, and it's not the first time I've gotten a knockoff product on Amazon.