▲ 947 ▼ After seeing Wi-Fi network named “STINKY,” Navy found hidden Starlink dish on US warship (arstechnica.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 169 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 401 points 2 years ago (2 children) That seems like a significant security risk permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 250 points 2 years ago (8 children) Probably not for the reason you think. Like, it wouldn't be patched into anything official But it means Musk knew where that ship was 24/7, and I'm pretty sure that's why Ukraine's military stopped using it. Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 125 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's emmitting radio signals that an enemy could use to help locate the ship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (6 children) What? Surface ships are in constant communication with stuff... You can't just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Musk can find a starlink signal tho, because he can see what Starlink connects to and it's gps location. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemm.ee 99 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but if they go on mission and “go dark” then you still have this starlink thing that may or may not be disabled by the person smuggling it on board. It may also be connected to official things if the owner has bad intentions, or if someone else who does finds it and co-opts it. There is a lot that could go wrong with unauthorized radio transmission equipment on a warship, and not all of it is obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. The worst a bad actor could do is constantly transmitting location and other combat data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. Can you connect a computer? Because if so, that same computer can then be connected to the starlink, no? I know absolutely nothing about secure government networking, I'm just kind of assuming that something has to be able to connect to both individually and also simultaneously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) sipr is very strict about what it is letting connect to it. Which is why you rarely hear about breaches. Notable incidents like Manning or Snowden both involved usage of physical media, which has been severely restricted since. Plus Snowden was an admin, and not on SIPRNet, but some NSA systems. To add, SIPRNet is entirely isolated from NIPRNet or the Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router. I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with. Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago It's as easy as plugging in the wrong cable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago Not always Ships absolutely practice turning everything off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Depends on where your sensors are and how much dispersion the dish has. If you are flying a surveillance plane into the "beam" then you can passively spot the ship. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago You say that like Elon is personally looking at that information. Presumably, there would be a large number of people at the company with access to that information, all of whom could be bribed or otherwise persuaded to share it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You can’t just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Uh, this was the primary way the Allies defeated the U-Boats in WWII. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No they actually do go dark sometimes for exactly this reason. Of course there's always some signal source but it's the difference between lighting up like a Christmas tree and running a single IR light. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 55 points 2 years ago (1 child) Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements Wait he did? Can you provide a source for this? I can only find information about him stopping starlink service in crimea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Summzashi@lemmy.one 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) They can't, because it doesn't exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smc87@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which also doesn’t definitely mean it didn’t happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Summzashi@lemmy.one -2 points 2 years ago That doesn't matter. What even is your point? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago The reason I think is because any unofficial and potentially unsecured communications access point seems like a vulnerability. If some moron posts a picture using that unofficial access point I’d be worried it could be traced to the ship’s location. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago Everybody knew were the ship was, because at that time star link usage by area was shown publicly. There was map online that showed all clients online. permalink fedilink source parent [–] catloaf@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wouldn't be... Until it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah with how many leaks come from war thunder players... lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Archer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago We need to insert egregiously wrong Russian hardware into War Thunder so the real specs will be leaked permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Next up: somebody installs unauthorized Starlink on warship so they can play War Thunder on deployment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago I'm not convinced that's not exactly what this particular starlink device was for permalink fedilink source parent [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (2 children) No it just wouldn't. Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn't have internet 24/7? This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. It wasn't for any official use, because they have that covered. You're acting like surface ships are submarines.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? last I checked, no, they don't. they had shitty service while in port, and not much else. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/12/29/new-in-2024-better-wi-fi-for-sailors/ fuck mate they only recently started giving their people access ON SHORE. https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2024-01-25/navy-free-wi-fi-pilot-program-12796438.html so no, I don't think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) That article is about wifi for personal use... And the second one is about it being free and you're acting like they didn't have Internet before then? so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is about wifi for personal use… do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. ok buddy, have a nice life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I said: This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. And on your second reply you said: do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha I stand by my original assessment after your first comment: Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about Because you literally don't understand the conversation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The article I read explicitly says they don't have Internet access while at sea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) spin it however you like, this statement: Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? is not correct. gonna block you now, you're a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago Are you ever not a dickhead? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago Whether they have wifi on ship or not isn't the issue. Sometimes, when a ship goes into an operation, they will turn off all signals except passive or directed signals so that they can't easily be detected. Having a communications signal that isn't under the control of the ship's officers is a huge security risk during operations. Someone is going to be court martialed over this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) When did they stop using starlink? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 8 points 2 years ago They didn’t, the commenter is making things up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It was exactly the reason I was thinking permalink fedilink source parent [–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements. I'm sorry, this made me laugh. Is that a widely accepted conspiracy theory in this community? That Elon Musk is a Russian spy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where he sent a militarized Cyber Truck to a Russian war criminal, or are you conveniently ignoring it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BestTestInTheWest@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Russian war criminal stated he got it from musk but that hasn't been confirmed and I don't think we should be taking Kadyrov's word as truth on anything he's a literal war criminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the Russian oligarchs backing twitter? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If Musk isn't a Russian asset, it's only because he's a Saudi asset. And there's no reason he can't be both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago I feel like every military is full of technological babies acting out security theatre with each other while everything is totally hacked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 250 points 2 years ago (8 children) Probably not for the reason you think. Like, it wouldn't be patched into anything official But it means Musk knew where that ship was 24/7, and I'm pretty sure that's why Ukraine's military stopped using it. Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 125 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's emmitting radio signals that an enemy could use to help locate the ship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (6 children) What? Surface ships are in constant communication with stuff... You can't just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Musk can find a starlink signal tho, because he can see what Starlink connects to and it's gps location. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemm.ee 99 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but if they go on mission and “go dark” then you still have this starlink thing that may or may not be disabled by the person smuggling it on board. It may also be connected to official things if the owner has bad intentions, or if someone else who does finds it and co-opts it. There is a lot that could go wrong with unauthorized radio transmission equipment on a warship, and not all of it is obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. The worst a bad actor could do is constantly transmitting location and other combat data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. Can you connect a computer? Because if so, that same computer can then be connected to the starlink, no? I know absolutely nothing about secure government networking, I'm just kind of assuming that something has to be able to connect to both individually and also simultaneously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) sipr is very strict about what it is letting connect to it. Which is why you rarely hear about breaches. Notable incidents like Manning or Snowden both involved usage of physical media, which has been severely restricted since. Plus Snowden was an admin, and not on SIPRNet, but some NSA systems. To add, SIPRNet is entirely isolated from NIPRNet or the Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router. I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with. Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago It's as easy as plugging in the wrong cable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago Not always Ships absolutely practice turning everything off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Depends on where your sensors are and how much dispersion the dish has. If you are flying a surveillance plane into the "beam" then you can passively spot the ship. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago You say that like Elon is personally looking at that information. Presumably, there would be a large number of people at the company with access to that information, all of whom could be bribed or otherwise persuaded to share it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You can’t just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Uh, this was the primary way the Allies defeated the U-Boats in WWII. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No they actually do go dark sometimes for exactly this reason. Of course there's always some signal source but it's the difference between lighting up like a Christmas tree and running a single IR light. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 55 points 2 years ago (1 child) Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements Wait he did? Can you provide a source for this? I can only find information about him stopping starlink service in crimea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Summzashi@lemmy.one 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) They can't, because it doesn't exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smc87@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which also doesn’t definitely mean it didn’t happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Summzashi@lemmy.one -2 points 2 years ago That doesn't matter. What even is your point? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago The reason I think is because any unofficial and potentially unsecured communications access point seems like a vulnerability. If some moron posts a picture using that unofficial access point I’d be worried it could be traced to the ship’s location. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago Everybody knew were the ship was, because at that time star link usage by area was shown publicly. There was map online that showed all clients online. permalink fedilink source parent [–] catloaf@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wouldn't be... Until it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah with how many leaks come from war thunder players... lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Archer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago We need to insert egregiously wrong Russian hardware into War Thunder so the real specs will be leaked permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Next up: somebody installs unauthorized Starlink on warship so they can play War Thunder on deployment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago I'm not convinced that's not exactly what this particular starlink device was for permalink fedilink source parent [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (2 children) No it just wouldn't. Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn't have internet 24/7? This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. It wasn't for any official use, because they have that covered. You're acting like surface ships are submarines.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? last I checked, no, they don't. they had shitty service while in port, and not much else. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/12/29/new-in-2024-better-wi-fi-for-sailors/ fuck mate they only recently started giving their people access ON SHORE. https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2024-01-25/navy-free-wi-fi-pilot-program-12796438.html so no, I don't think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) That article is about wifi for personal use... And the second one is about it being free and you're acting like they didn't have Internet before then? so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is about wifi for personal use… do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. ok buddy, have a nice life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I said: This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. And on your second reply you said: do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha I stand by my original assessment after your first comment: Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about Because you literally don't understand the conversation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The article I read explicitly says they don't have Internet access while at sea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) spin it however you like, this statement: Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? is not correct. gonna block you now, you're a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago Are you ever not a dickhead? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago Whether they have wifi on ship or not isn't the issue. Sometimes, when a ship goes into an operation, they will turn off all signals except passive or directed signals so that they can't easily be detected. Having a communications signal that isn't under the control of the ship's officers is a huge security risk during operations. Someone is going to be court martialed over this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) When did they stop using starlink? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 8 points 2 years ago They didn’t, the commenter is making things up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It was exactly the reason I was thinking permalink fedilink source parent [–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements. I'm sorry, this made me laugh. Is that a widely accepted conspiracy theory in this community? That Elon Musk is a Russian spy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where he sent a militarized Cyber Truck to a Russian war criminal, or are you conveniently ignoring it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BestTestInTheWest@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Russian war criminal stated he got it from musk but that hasn't been confirmed and I don't think we should be taking Kadyrov's word as truth on anything he's a literal war criminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the Russian oligarchs backing twitter? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If Musk isn't a Russian asset, it's only because he's a Saudi asset. And there's no reason he can't be both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 125 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's emmitting radio signals that an enemy could use to help locate the ship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (6 children) What? Surface ships are in constant communication with stuff... You can't just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Musk can find a starlink signal tho, because he can see what Starlink connects to and it's gps location. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemm.ee 99 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but if they go on mission and “go dark” then you still have this starlink thing that may or may not be disabled by the person smuggling it on board. It may also be connected to official things if the owner has bad intentions, or if someone else who does finds it and co-opts it. There is a lot that could go wrong with unauthorized radio transmission equipment on a warship, and not all of it is obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. The worst a bad actor could do is constantly transmitting location and other combat data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. Can you connect a computer? Because if so, that same computer can then be connected to the starlink, no? I know absolutely nothing about secure government networking, I'm just kind of assuming that something has to be able to connect to both individually and also simultaneously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) sipr is very strict about what it is letting connect to it. Which is why you rarely hear about breaches. Notable incidents like Manning or Snowden both involved usage of physical media, which has been severely restricted since. Plus Snowden was an admin, and not on SIPRNet, but some NSA systems. To add, SIPRNet is entirely isolated from NIPRNet or the Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router. I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with. Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago It's as easy as plugging in the wrong cable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago Not always Ships absolutely practice turning everything off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Depends on where your sensors are and how much dispersion the dish has. If you are flying a surveillance plane into the "beam" then you can passively spot the ship. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago You say that like Elon is personally looking at that information. Presumably, there would be a large number of people at the company with access to that information, all of whom could be bribed or otherwise persuaded to share it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You can’t just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Uh, this was the primary way the Allies defeated the U-Boats in WWII. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No they actually do go dark sometimes for exactly this reason. Of course there's always some signal source but it's the difference between lighting up like a Christmas tree and running a single IR light. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (6 children) What? Surface ships are in constant communication with stuff... You can't just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Musk can find a starlink signal tho, because he can see what Starlink connects to and it's gps location. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemm.ee 99 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but if they go on mission and “go dark” then you still have this starlink thing that may or may not be disabled by the person smuggling it on board. It may also be connected to official things if the owner has bad intentions, or if someone else who does finds it and co-opts it. There is a lot that could go wrong with unauthorized radio transmission equipment on a warship, and not all of it is obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. The worst a bad actor could do is constantly transmitting location and other combat data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. Can you connect a computer? Because if so, that same computer can then be connected to the starlink, no? I know absolutely nothing about secure government networking, I'm just kind of assuming that something has to be able to connect to both individually and also simultaneously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) sipr is very strict about what it is letting connect to it. Which is why you rarely hear about breaches. Notable incidents like Manning or Snowden both involved usage of physical media, which has been severely restricted since. Plus Snowden was an admin, and not on SIPRNet, but some NSA systems. To add, SIPRNet is entirely isolated from NIPRNet or the Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router. I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with. Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago It's as easy as plugging in the wrong cable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago Not always Ships absolutely practice turning everything off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Depends on where your sensors are and how much dispersion the dish has. If you are flying a surveillance plane into the "beam" then you can passively spot the ship. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago You say that like Elon is personally looking at that information. Presumably, there would be a large number of people at the company with access to that information, all of whom could be bribed or otherwise persuaded to share it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You can’t just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Uh, this was the primary way the Allies defeated the U-Boats in WWII. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No they actually do go dark sometimes for exactly this reason. Of course there's always some signal source but it's the difference between lighting up like a Christmas tree and running a single IR light. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 4am@lemm.ee 99 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but if they go on mission and “go dark” then you still have this starlink thing that may or may not be disabled by the person smuggling it on board. It may also be connected to official things if the owner has bad intentions, or if someone else who does finds it and co-opts it. There is a lot that could go wrong with unauthorized radio transmission equipment on a warship, and not all of it is obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. The worst a bad actor could do is constantly transmitting location and other combat data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. Can you connect a computer? Because if so, that same computer can then be connected to the starlink, no? I know absolutely nothing about secure government networking, I'm just kind of assuming that something has to be able to connect to both individually and also simultaneously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) sipr is very strict about what it is letting connect to it. Which is why you rarely hear about breaches. Notable incidents like Manning or Snowden both involved usage of physical media, which has been severely restricted since. Plus Snowden was an admin, and not on SIPRNet, but some NSA systems. To add, SIPRNet is entirely isolated from NIPRNet or the Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router. I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with. Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago It's as easy as plugging in the wrong cable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. The worst a bad actor could do is constantly transmitting location and other combat data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. Can you connect a computer? Because if so, that same computer can then be connected to the starlink, no? I know absolutely nothing about secure government networking, I'm just kind of assuming that something has to be able to connect to both individually and also simultaneously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) sipr is very strict about what it is letting connect to it. Which is why you rarely hear about breaches. Notable incidents like Manning or Snowden both involved usage of physical media, which has been severely restricted since. Plus Snowden was an admin, and not on SIPRNet, but some NSA systems. To add, SIPRNet is entirely isolated from NIPRNet or the Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router. I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with. Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago It's as easy as plugging in the wrong cable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You can't connect a star link to siprnet. Can you connect a computer? Because if so, that same computer can then be connected to the starlink, no? I know absolutely nothing about secure government networking, I'm just kind of assuming that something has to be able to connect to both individually and also simultaneously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) sipr is very strict about what it is letting connect to it. Which is why you rarely hear about breaches. Notable incidents like Manning or Snowden both involved usage of physical media, which has been severely restricted since. Plus Snowden was an admin, and not on SIPRNet, but some NSA systems. To add, SIPRNet is entirely isolated from NIPRNet or the Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router. I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with. Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) sipr is very strict about what it is letting connect to it. Which is why you rarely hear about breaches. Notable incidents like Manning or Snowden both involved usage of physical media, which has been severely restricted since. Plus Snowden was an admin, and not on SIPRNet, but some NSA systems. To add, SIPRNet is entirely isolated from NIPRNet or the Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router. I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with. Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router. I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with. Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you've breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc. Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn't too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago It's as easy as plugging in the wrong cable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago Not always Ships absolutely practice turning everything off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Depends on where your sensors are and how much dispersion the dish has. If you are flying a surveillance plane into the "beam" then you can passively spot the ship. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago You say that like Elon is personally looking at that information. Presumably, there would be a large number of people at the company with access to that information, all of whom could be bribed or otherwise persuaded to share it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You can’t just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Uh, this was the primary way the Allies defeated the U-Boats in WWII. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No they actually do go dark sometimes for exactly this reason. Of course there's always some signal source but it's the difference between lighting up like a Christmas tree and running a single IR light. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 55 points 2 years ago (1 child) Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements Wait he did? Can you provide a source for this? I can only find information about him stopping starlink service in crimea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Summzashi@lemmy.one 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) They can't, because it doesn't exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smc87@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which also doesn’t definitely mean it didn’t happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Summzashi@lemmy.one -2 points 2 years ago That doesn't matter. What even is your point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Summzashi@lemmy.one 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) They can't, because it doesn't exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smc87@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which also doesn’t definitely mean it didn’t happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Summzashi@lemmy.one -2 points 2 years ago That doesn't matter. What even is your point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smc87@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which also doesn’t definitely mean it didn’t happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Summzashi@lemmy.one -2 points 2 years ago That doesn't matter. What even is your point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Summzashi@lemmy.one -2 points 2 years ago That doesn't matter. What even is your point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago The reason I think is because any unofficial and potentially unsecured communications access point seems like a vulnerability. If some moron posts a picture using that unofficial access point I’d be worried it could be traced to the ship’s location. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago Everybody knew were the ship was, because at that time star link usage by area was shown publicly. There was map online that showed all clients online. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) It wouldn't be... Until it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah with how many leaks come from war thunder players... lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Archer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago We need to insert egregiously wrong Russian hardware into War Thunder so the real specs will be leaked permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Next up: somebody installs unauthorized Starlink on warship so they can play War Thunder on deployment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago I'm not convinced that's not exactly what this particular starlink device was for permalink fedilink source parent [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (2 children) No it just wouldn't. Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn't have internet 24/7? This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. It wasn't for any official use, because they have that covered. You're acting like surface ships are submarines.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? last I checked, no, they don't. they had shitty service while in port, and not much else. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/12/29/new-in-2024-better-wi-fi-for-sailors/ fuck mate they only recently started giving their people access ON SHORE. https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2024-01-25/navy-free-wi-fi-pilot-program-12796438.html so no, I don't think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) That article is about wifi for personal use... And the second one is about it being free and you're acting like they didn't have Internet before then? so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is about wifi for personal use… do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. ok buddy, have a nice life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I said: This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. And on your second reply you said: do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha I stand by my original assessment after your first comment: Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about Because you literally don't understand the conversation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The article I read explicitly says they don't have Internet access while at sea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) spin it however you like, this statement: Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? is not correct. gonna block you now, you're a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago Are you ever not a dickhead? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago Whether they have wifi on ship or not isn't the issue. Sometimes, when a ship goes into an operation, they will turn off all signals except passive or directed signals so that they can't easily be detected. Having a communications signal that isn't under the control of the ship's officers is a huge security risk during operations. Someone is going to be court martialed over this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah with how many leaks come from war thunder players... lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Archer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago We need to insert egregiously wrong Russian hardware into War Thunder so the real specs will be leaked permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Next up: somebody installs unauthorized Starlink on warship so they can play War Thunder on deployment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago I'm not convinced that's not exactly what this particular starlink device was for permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Archer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago We need to insert egregiously wrong Russian hardware into War Thunder so the real specs will be leaked permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Next up: somebody installs unauthorized Starlink on warship so they can play War Thunder on deployment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago I'm not convinced that's not exactly what this particular starlink device was for permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago I'm not convinced that's not exactly what this particular starlink device was for permalink fedilink source parent
[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -24 points 2 years ago (2 children) No it just wouldn't. Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn't have internet 24/7? This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. It wasn't for any official use, because they have that covered. You're acting like surface ships are submarines.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? last I checked, no, they don't. they had shitty service while in port, and not much else. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/12/29/new-in-2024-better-wi-fi-for-sailors/ fuck mate they only recently started giving their people access ON SHORE. https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2024-01-25/navy-free-wi-fi-pilot-program-12796438.html so no, I don't think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) That article is about wifi for personal use... And the second one is about it being free and you're acting like they didn't have Internet before then? so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is about wifi for personal use… do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. ok buddy, have a nice life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I said: This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. And on your second reply you said: do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha I stand by my original assessment after your first comment: Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about Because you literally don't understand the conversation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The article I read explicitly says they don't have Internet access while at sea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) spin it however you like, this statement: Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? is not correct. gonna block you now, you're a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago Are you ever not a dickhead? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago Whether they have wifi on ship or not isn't the issue. Sometimes, when a ship goes into an operation, they will turn off all signals except passive or directed signals so that they can't easily be detected. Having a communications signal that isn't under the control of the ship's officers is a huge security risk during operations. Someone is going to be court martialed over this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? last I checked, no, they don't. they had shitty service while in port, and not much else. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/12/29/new-in-2024-better-wi-fi-for-sailors/ fuck mate they only recently started giving their people access ON SHORE. https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2024-01-25/navy-free-wi-fi-pilot-program-12796438.html so no, I don't think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) That article is about wifi for personal use... And the second one is about it being free and you're acting like they didn't have Internet before then? so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is about wifi for personal use… do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. ok buddy, have a nice life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I said: This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. And on your second reply you said: do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha I stand by my original assessment after your first comment: Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about Because you literally don't understand the conversation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The article I read explicitly says they don't have Internet access while at sea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) spin it however you like, this statement: Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? is not correct. gonna block you now, you're a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago Are you ever not a dickhead? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) That article is about wifi for personal use... And the second one is about it being free and you're acting like they didn't have Internet before then? so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7 Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is about wifi for personal use… do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. ok buddy, have a nice life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I said: This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. And on your second reply you said: do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha I stand by my original assessment after your first comment: Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about Because you literally don't understand the conversation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The article I read explicitly says they don't have Internet access while at sea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) spin it however you like, this statement: Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? is not correct. gonna block you now, you're a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago Are you ever not a dickhead? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That article is about wifi for personal use… do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about. ok buddy, have a nice life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I said: This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. And on your second reply you said: do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha I stand by my original assessment after your first comment: Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about Because you literally don't understand the conversation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The article I read explicitly says they don't have Internet access while at sea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) spin it however you like, this statement: Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? is not correct. gonna block you now, you're a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I said: This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn. And on your second reply you said: do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha I stand by my original assessment after your first comment: Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about Because you literally don't understand the conversation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The article I read explicitly says they don't have Internet access while at sea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) spin it however you like, this statement: Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? is not correct. gonna block you now, you're a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The article I read explicitly says they don't have Internet access while at sea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah I don't understand it either, but if he's going to be a dick I'm happy to block and drive on with life permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Such a strange person, I'm not sure what point they're arguing, but they're definitely determined to argue it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) spin it however you like, this statement: Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7? is not correct. gonna block you now, you're a waste of time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes... The ship has Internet... For official business. That's not the same as everyone having wifi for anything. For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It's really not that difficult... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago What exactly are you on about? I honestly can't tell what point you're trying to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago Are you ever not a dickhead? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago Whether they have wifi on ship or not isn't the issue. Sometimes, when a ship goes into an operation, they will turn off all signals except passive or directed signals so that they can't easily be detected. Having a communications signal that isn't under the control of the ship's officers is a huge security risk during operations. Someone is going to be court martialed over this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) When did they stop using starlink? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 8 points 2 years ago They didn’t, the commenter is making things up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 8 points 2 years ago They didn’t, the commenter is making things up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It was exactly the reason I was thinking permalink fedilink source parent
[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements. I'm sorry, this made me laugh. Is that a widely accepted conspiracy theory in this community? That Elon Musk is a Russian spy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where he sent a militarized Cyber Truck to a Russian war criminal, or are you conveniently ignoring it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BestTestInTheWest@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Russian war criminal stated he got it from musk but that hasn't been confirmed and I don't think we should be taking Kadyrov's word as truth on anything he's a literal war criminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the Russian oligarchs backing twitter? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If Musk isn't a Russian asset, it's only because he's a Saudi asset. And there's no reason he can't be both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where he sent a militarized Cyber Truck to a Russian war criminal, or are you conveniently ignoring it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BestTestInTheWest@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Russian war criminal stated he got it from musk but that hasn't been confirmed and I don't think we should be taking Kadyrov's word as truth on anything he's a literal war criminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the Russian oligarchs backing twitter? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If Musk isn't a Russian asset, it's only because he's a Saudi asset. And there's no reason he can't be both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BestTestInTheWest@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Russian war criminal stated he got it from musk but that hasn't been confirmed and I don't think we should be taking Kadyrov's word as truth on anything he's a literal war criminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the Russian oligarchs backing twitter? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If Musk isn't a Russian asset, it's only because he's a Saudi asset. And there's no reason he can't be both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the Russian oligarchs backing twitter? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If Musk isn't a Russian asset, it's only because he's a Saudi asset. And there's no reason he can't be both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If Musk isn't a Russian asset, it's only because he's a Saudi asset. And there's no reason he can't be both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago I feel like every military is full of technological babies acting out security theatre with each other while everything is totally hacked. permalink fedilink source parent