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Maybe this is better for everyone (lemmy.world)
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[–] 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah I respect vegans, and applaud them for their life choices. I'm not in a position to, or willing at this point to become a vegan, but I looked at their community... Mostly insults when referring to any meat eater. Yeah, I respect them a fair bit less now.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When you know what occurs in factory farming. Its hard to continue to be nice to others who have the ability to stop supporting the cruel system with their money.

    Its often easier to go vegan than people initially believe. You can do it.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We really dont though. It is simply not realistic to fight for an ethic that requires the overwhelming majority to be hyperrational in their ethics. Human nature tends toward cruelty, and Ive yet to see a vegan have recourse for that.

    Setting aside the whole plants feel pain too bit

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    People are cruel often because of the systems they're raised in. I could show you many instances where kindness is punished in order to maintain the status quo of hierarchical systems. Humans can be much more ethical if we chose to be.

    Plant react to stimuli however they do not have the nervous system to process pain like the way cows and pigs do.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    And yet people default to those systems and have since the agricultural revolution.

    As for plant stimuli, who are you to say that doesn't constitute pain? They sure communicate it to those around them, cut grass smell and all that. Does an ant not feel pain because it mostly just responds to and sends out pheromones? Bit of a "my red is your blue" argument you're making.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    By eating plant-based you reduce the amount of plants that are grown for human consumption since you skip the farm animals completely “if you’re so concerned about plants feeling pain”

    You wouldn’t kick a person and justify that logic saying “but plants feel pain every time you walk on grass”

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  • [+] -58 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Dave, in fact, could not behave and could not resist a personal attack.

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  • [+] -18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    is it very personal?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    What part of insulted their individual lifestyle seems like business to you?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Where is the border between acceptable and not acceptable lifestyle? The animals can't consent. If you beat your wife, is that also an individual lifestyle we have to respect? What if you neglect and beat your pets, for a closer example? What if your individual lifestyle is dumping trash into the ocean?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Luckily we pass laws to regulate unacceptable lifestyles.

    Go pass some laws. Instead of trying to be a vegan vigilante, try to organize and show compassion to people. Even if that means being belittled in the process, you'll have the moral high ground.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    they said that they pay to have things killed on their behalf.

    if they say it, then it ain't very personal is it?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "It's not a personal attack if you provided me with the information I used to attack you"

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    rather than paying for an actual physical attack on an animal.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you not understand what the word "personal" means, or are you confused about this usage of attack?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    maybe you could enlighten me

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Alright. If I were to say something like "You're a dumbass, and have no room to criticize." that'd be a personal attack because I'd be making a (metaphorical) attack on your person (character). Hope that helps.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Person who pays for animals to be tortured

    no one does that

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  • [+] -19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You can keep telling yourself that if it helps.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    if you have evidence to the contrary, you should present it.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm guessing they mean factory farming

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    in torture, the pain is the point. while i think factory farming is too ambivalent about suffering, i also believe the suffering is only incidental, not intentional. it's not torture.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    perhaps you could explain that subtle difference to the animals going through the system of abuse.

    Im sure it would brighten up their days no end to realise the pain they are experiencing is not the point of the system and that therefore, they are not being tortured.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    perhaps you could explain that subtle difference to the animals

    i don't think i can, no. but propagandists can choose to stop using emotionally charged and incorrect terms.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    funny that a person called commie doesn't understand exploitation.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    this is just posturing and rhetoric. i have no problem with most forms of exploitation (this is true of most people i think). my problem is unfair, or even non-consensual, exploitation of other people.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    And this is why its impossible to have a conversation with yall. Even if you believe this, if you are hostile to outsiders, you just guarantee theyll want to do it more. Cult deprogrammers have to be real nice and mostly just listen for a reason

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Says the person who pays for humans to be tortured they can have a phone.

    See? We can all make disingenuous, insulting statements; but that's not productive in getting people to listen to us.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    depending on how you see things, abuse is part of any system. that said, humans are at least able to be a part of the system and have dialogue with the system. there is potential to effect a system.

    this cannot be said for a 4 day old calf being taken away from the mother for slaughter just so the mother can continue to lactate and little fat Jonny can have his full fat on his frosties again.

    lastly, it's hardly insulting to remind people that they pay for disgusting levels of animal abuse.

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