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Should i switch from systemd to another init system, What are the advantages of using another init system? (lemmy.world)
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I have seen so many times that systemd is insecure, bloated, etc. So i wonder ¿does it worth to switch to another init system?

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[–] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Looks like there are some security, privacy and stability advantages. But for most people systemd should be fine.

See here for further info:
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/guides/linux-hardening.html#choosing-the-right-distro
https://forums.whonix.org/t/fixing-the-desktop-linux-security-model/9172/2
https://www.unixsheikh.com/articles/systemd-isnt-safe-to-run-anywhere.html
https://unixsheikh.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.html
https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/
https://without-systemd.org/wiki/index_php/Arguments_against_systemd/
https://nosystemd.org/

Edit: also getting dnscrypt to work with systemd is pretty tough and unreliable in my experience (debian and opensuse). See here https://github.com/DNSCrypt/dnscrypt-proxy/wiki/Installation-linux
This could be a problem if you are planning to use encrypted dns.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeap, it is always the same set of poorly researched links that get pasted in threads like this.

    Unix philosophy, evil corporate interests, insecure, bloated, entangled mess... it is these individuals thatbhave seen the light, notnthe silent majority that does all the work in distributions and when developing software that kind of opted withbtheir feet.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    not sure about the other ones, but "madaidan" (Kicksecure/Linux Hardening Guide) and Daniel Micay (Copperhead/GrapheneOS) are well known security researchers. See Daniel Micays take on Systemd:
    https://old.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/bddq5u/os_security_ios_vs_grapheneos_vs_stock_android/ekzo6c0/
    https://forums.whonix.org/t/fixing-the-desktop-linux-security-model/9172/2

    Suckless.org's take on systemd is pretty well researched. All sources inside.

    Some other critics are Ted Tso, Torvalds, Volkerding (Slackware), ... See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Reception
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd/

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    First off, there are lots of problems with systemd (mostly down in the details) and controversial defaults at times, bugs, bloat, and hickups and whatnot. Like basically in all projects all the time. So of course there is valid critique on systemd, lots of it.

    But I have a problem taking any argument seriously that is based on "I am smarter than everybody else". I do not like detail Y or developer Z, so the project X sucks and everybody that disagrees is either a paid shill, forced into it or just stupid. There is no point in even talking with people like that.

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