▲ 216 ▼ Morning attack on Ukraine cost Russia almost US$1.3 billion (www.pravda.com.ua) submitted 2 years ago by alphacyberranger@sh.itjust.works to c/world@lemmy.world 19 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Hazzia@infosec.pub 41 points 2 years ago (7 children) How do they still have money I know the sanctions weren't as effective as hoped, and they're still selling gas to China, but like seriously how do they still have money permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 44 points 2 years ago (4 children) They've migrated to a wartime economy, which gives you a lot of command over the economy. They're currently doing a careful dance of increasing their money supply, while trying to stabilize inflation using what foreign currency reserves and income they have. The biggest thing keeping their economy going is the price of oil, which is hovering around 80-90$ a barrel. The vast majority of this is being gobbled up by the government via their national wealth fund. So long as heightened domestic productivity is maintained for the war, and the price of oil is higher than 60-65$ they could retain solvency for years. A real economic collapse won't be felt until the price of oil bottoms out, or if they attempt to transition out of a war time economy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) The key point about wartime economies is that they don't actually increase quality of life for the people, even if everyone is making a decent salary (by Russia standards anyway). Public infrastructure in Russia was already struggling before the war, I can only imagine the state it'll be in in 10 years permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago The key point about wartime economies is that they don't actually increase quality of life for the people That's debatable dependent on the situation and the timeframe you're looking at. You'll usually see an increase in domestic production and consumption as a general by-product of lower unemployment. However, they are still going to run into the guns vs butter problem. Unless they actually seize Ukraine and extract more wealth from it than they spent acquiring it, their investments into military infrastructure are going to be losses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Plopp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I looked at one of those ship monitoring sites and there was almost a continous string of oil tankers going to and from St. Petersburg, so I'd say they're probably selling a fuck ton of oil still. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Erasmus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Plopp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago Someone quick call Ever Given and her sister ships to come and accidentally clog the passages around Denmark. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago migrated A gentle way to describe it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago i think the real problem is manpower, and essential materials like electronics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 years ago How do they still have money They are printing it.... 18% inflation... permalink fedilink source parent [–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Money doesn't come from the US. It is a derivative from people going to work and banks borrowing from future generations to give more money to the supremes and the billionaires. To make one billionaire all you gotta do is borrow from several generations ahead. So don't get angry if the inflation is high. That's something that paid for billionaires before you were born. Nah. This is so that your kids can't have a house and same for their kids and kid's kids. It's great 👍. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Their only recourse in the future will be clawing the money from the billionaires. It's been a little over a century. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Stop making me sad with the truth. permalink fedilink source parent [–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago war economy. look at germany, we held out quite a while. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago They have a lot of natural resources and are selling them still (China as you said, India). Plus it's not like people will complain if inflation is high, or road don't get repaired. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They also had 300 billion of their sovereign wealth fund still accessible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago I guess this stuff was already in their inventory so using them isn't going to cost them a dime? Replacing them, on the other hand, could be a problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 44 points 2 years ago (4 children) They've migrated to a wartime economy, which gives you a lot of command over the economy. They're currently doing a careful dance of increasing their money supply, while trying to stabilize inflation using what foreign currency reserves and income they have. The biggest thing keeping their economy going is the price of oil, which is hovering around 80-90$ a barrel. The vast majority of this is being gobbled up by the government via their national wealth fund. So long as heightened domestic productivity is maintained for the war, and the price of oil is higher than 60-65$ they could retain solvency for years. A real economic collapse won't be felt until the price of oil bottoms out, or if they attempt to transition out of a war time economy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) The key point about wartime economies is that they don't actually increase quality of life for the people, even if everyone is making a decent salary (by Russia standards anyway). Public infrastructure in Russia was already struggling before the war, I can only imagine the state it'll be in in 10 years permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago The key point about wartime economies is that they don't actually increase quality of life for the people That's debatable dependent on the situation and the timeframe you're looking at. You'll usually see an increase in domestic production and consumption as a general by-product of lower unemployment. However, they are still going to run into the guns vs butter problem. Unless they actually seize Ukraine and extract more wealth from it than they spent acquiring it, their investments into military infrastructure are going to be losses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Plopp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I looked at one of those ship monitoring sites and there was almost a continous string of oil tankers going to and from St. Petersburg, so I'd say they're probably selling a fuck ton of oil still. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Erasmus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Plopp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago Someone quick call Ever Given and her sister ships to come and accidentally clog the passages around Denmark. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago migrated A gentle way to describe it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago i think the real problem is manpower, and essential materials like electronics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) The key point about wartime economies is that they don't actually increase quality of life for the people, even if everyone is making a decent salary (by Russia standards anyway). Public infrastructure in Russia was already struggling before the war, I can only imagine the state it'll be in in 10 years permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago The key point about wartime economies is that they don't actually increase quality of life for the people That's debatable dependent on the situation and the timeframe you're looking at. You'll usually see an increase in domestic production and consumption as a general by-product of lower unemployment. However, they are still going to run into the guns vs butter problem. Unless they actually seize Ukraine and extract more wealth from it than they spent acquiring it, their investments into military infrastructure are going to be losses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago The key point about wartime economies is that they don't actually increase quality of life for the people That's debatable dependent on the situation and the timeframe you're looking at. You'll usually see an increase in domestic production and consumption as a general by-product of lower unemployment. However, they are still going to run into the guns vs butter problem. Unless they actually seize Ukraine and extract more wealth from it than they spent acquiring it, their investments into military infrastructure are going to be losses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I looked at one of those ship monitoring sites and there was almost a continous string of oil tankers going to and from St. Petersburg, so I'd say they're probably selling a fuck ton of oil still. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Erasmus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Plopp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago Someone quick call Ever Given and her sister ships to come and accidentally clog the passages around Denmark. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Erasmus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Plopp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago Someone quick call Ever Given and her sister ships to come and accidentally clog the passages around Denmark. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago Someone quick call Ever Given and her sister ships to come and accidentally clog the passages around Denmark. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago migrated A gentle way to describe it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago i think the real problem is manpower, and essential materials like electronics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 years ago How do they still have money They are printing it.... 18% inflation... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Money doesn't come from the US. It is a derivative from people going to work and banks borrowing from future generations to give more money to the supremes and the billionaires. To make one billionaire all you gotta do is borrow from several generations ahead. So don't get angry if the inflation is high. That's something that paid for billionaires before you were born. Nah. This is so that your kids can't have a house and same for their kids and kid's kids. It's great 👍. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Their only recourse in the future will be clawing the money from the billionaires. It's been a little over a century. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Stop making me sad with the truth. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Their only recourse in the future will be clawing the money from the billionaires. It's been a little over a century. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Stop making me sad with the truth. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] addictedtochaos@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago war economy. look at germany, we held out quite a while. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago They have a lot of natural resources and are selling them still (China as you said, India). Plus it's not like people will complain if inflation is high, or road don't get repaired. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They also had 300 billion of their sovereign wealth fund still accessible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago I guess this stuff was already in their inventory so using them isn't going to cost them a dime? Replacing them, on the other hand, could be a problem. permalink fedilink source parent