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How exactly did Reddit become a top website and what does Lemmy need to do to eventually get there? (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world
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Did Reddit get massive because of Digg users making a beeline towards them or were they already big before that?

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[–] 37 points 3 years ago (10 children)

Why is everyone in such a hurry to make lemmy into a Reddit clone?

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  • [–] 51 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    For more interesting and easily discoverable content. Really that's what people want at the end of the day.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 3 years ago

    Exactly. I hate Reddit more than most people here (I'm a mod on a sub that has more than a million subscribers and felt disrespected by spez), but the fact of the matter is they're the gold standard of quality answers and discussions.

    I would want Lemmy to get to that level, not immediately, but that's the dream.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I want lemmy to become popular just so you can be quoted in news articles. User "fist eye mouth eye fist" wrote that...

    Or just have 🤛👁️👄👁️🤜 appear in reputable news outlets.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    By the way why are people able to do that? I see that person's username is mojo by hovering over it but at a glance it's just emojis.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I would just love to see more users in the communities I care about! I loved Reddit for that reason alone. Here I can find the memes, news, and opinions that I care about, but none of my hobbies. I really miss it to be real with you.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I get annoyed at the people acting like this place is perfectly fine as it is. It isn't. It lacks content. It has repetitive posts. And as far as I'm concerned, growth will iron out those problems over time. It doesn't need to be all at once, but I am looking forward to it. 60k active monthly users is nothing. Reddit has 450 million active users. It's hard to overstate how much larger Reddit is. Even if you're a hipster opposed to Lemmy growing to a Reddit size, it isn't even remotely close to being that large yet. And as far as I'm concerned it still hasn't reached the mass it needs to turn it into a super engaging community just yet. I'm rooting for it to become more engaging and I'm doing everything I can to increase that engagement, but we really don't need the smug in denial "it's perfect right now" attitude.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Reddit has 450 million active users.

    Yes, but how many are bots? Trolls? Bigots? Spammers? Antivaxxers? There is some content that lemmy is better without.

    I'm wondering if it's possible to get the same level of broad esoteric discussion without also welcoming the same toxicity that made reddit the superfund site it is today. Is toxicity a function of size, or is it a function of an environment in which toxicity is encouraged?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I used to moderate a fairly large subreddit and I think I can answer the bots question. There are millions. We'd get hit with multiple spam campaigns with thousands of bot accounts that were seemingly prepared for months in advance to get around our account age restrictions. Most users would never see any of it because we managed to catch most of them. It also happened under almost every post that hit /r/all.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago

    Exactly. One doesn’t happen without the other. If growth equals increase if trolls/bots- then grown equals strict moderation. Struck moderation equals power hungry mods.

    Voila! You now have Reddit.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    For me what made Reddit great was not the big wildly popular communities. It was the small niche communities that were (IMHO) only able to form in their shadow and you need a critical mass of people before you can have that.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    because reddit has all of the content and ease of use while lemmy has neither and we want to see lemmy succeed.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lemmy is succeeding just fine right now.

    Reddit's "content" is way more rage-baiting, fake AITA stories, culture wars both-sideisms, publicfreakout schadenfreude, and basic-tier iFunny memes, re-posted by waves of bots. All reddit is "succeeding" at is being a firehose of diarrhea.

    I prefer Lemmy's slant towards technology-related news, and polite discussion in earnest without painfully unfunny "and my axe" responses.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Was Lemmy not designed as a reddit clone? Community/post/comment system with upvotes and downvotes, volunteer moderators, generally the same sorting filters, crossposting - hell, they even display your date of join as a "cake day". The influence is obvious.

    That's not a bad thing, take the good and leave the bad, but if anything I think Lemmy needs more unique features that Reddit never had.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If you want lemmy to be like Reddit, you’re not getting the bad without the good. When it grows in number, it grows in trolls, bots, fascists and pedophiles.

    Take your pick.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, it will have those things, and in fact already does. There are trolls, bots, fascists, and even pedophiles already. This is an extremely sad and disturbing reality of online spaces. The only thing we can do about it is ensure moderators and instance admins have the tools to deal with it.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Right. However the more popular it gets, the more moderation will be needed. See what heavy moderation did to Reddit?

    You couldn’t even post on many subs without proper formatting and or your posts were removed if you didn’t put it in the megathread.

    I’d rather lemmy remain small.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    See what heavy moderation did to Reddit?

    I was a moderator on Reddit off and on for like six years, so yes I did. Heavy moderation is the only thing that kept larger communities on topic - r/Askhistorians being the shining example. The amount of effort required to keep spaces from devolving into low effort hodpodges of memes and such was notable.

    But it was worth it. Lemmy will grow, and moderation will probably have to grow as well, but I hope that the mod-user relationship here will be healthier and we can rely more on good faith interpretations of rules so we don't need to resort to pages of detailing no one will read.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    And how do you filter out the heavy handedness of mods like what was on WhitePeopleTwitter where if you didn’t fall in line with whatever agenda they followed, you were banned and reported to Reddit admin?

    With growth, you can expect this to happen here.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I don't want the r/funny people to invade this place, but quality middle sized to niche subreddits don't yet have their active equivalent on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You’re not getting one without the other.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Let's bet we can do it.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I wouldn’t take that bet.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Hope helps, try it!

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Hope has no place in reality. I accept thing for what they are, not what I’d like them to be.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lies, you have hope otherwise you would not be alive to live, you pretend otherwise to look tough.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Do you always edit the posts of people you don’t know? Ever heard of nihilism? I’m going to guess not.

    Hit the bricks kid.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I didn't think people like you had reached Lemmy yet, but here we are, more work to keep it good now.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Nihilists are everywhere. And considering that you wish to be segregated from people that think different than you-

    Which of us are closer to being a Redditor?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Not people who think different from me in general, but the specific behaviors who try to suck the positivity out of communities. I don't have something against redditors in general, either.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I’m not trying to do anything. I’m stating my opinion which is based on my world-view.

    How about you learn to not assume that you know what others are about?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    People will assume what you are about based on how you behave in the community.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That seems like it’s a problem of people. Not me. You should fix that in yourself.

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