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Uyghurs and Ukraine are great filters for figuring out who's actually a fascist (lemmy.world)
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[–] 43 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

"Biden is currently dropping bombs and Trump isn't, therefore anyone desiring a Kamala victory is a fascist" --Linkerbaan unironically

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    These “omg I’m so leftist” morons have been saying that for months. Odd how they spend so much time in activities that make Trump more likely to win and ignore all logic relating to that fact.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you try to make them understand this logic they'll just call you a Zionist genocide lover, there's no getting through to them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Right. And it makes no sense given that Trump would probably be even worse, and anyone with a clue about American politics realizes that a 3rd party isn’t going to win. The “we have to send a message to the democrats” isn’t a realistic strategy either. What they were saying 6 months ago was “we need to oppose Biden now” (apparently by denigrating him at every opportunity) “but then we’ll support him in the general election”. Ah yes, of course, you’re spreading tons of negative messages about the guy you want to win. Surely they were being honest, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Were the Germans complicit in fascism after voting for Hitler and standing by as he invaded Poland and started WW2?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)
    1. There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
    2. A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
    3. Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don't vote for her.
    4. Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.

    I'd like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It was a simple question. Answer first please, then I’ll address a counter argument. Please don’t try to deflect.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Whatever. Fine. Sure. Why does it matter?

    Both mainstream candidates have promised to continue funneling arms to Israel. If people who voted for Hitler were complicit in fascism, and that analogy extends to the current election (and I'm not at all convinced it does), then anyone who votes for either major political party is complicit in fascism. Do you believe this? If so, then just say you object to point 1 and let's discuss third-party voting.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I do believe that voting for either party is complicit in the genocide, myself included. I can recognize this and still vote for Harris to prevent damage to marginalized communities. But I don’t denigrate those that choose to not vote or vote third party because of the genocide. I get it.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Link or it didn't happen.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sorry, I meant a link to where they said anything remotely like what you claimed they said.

    It's very funny how reliable it is that when people shit talk about other users without providing a link, they are lying literally 100% of the time.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    As I said, a link to anything remotely like what you accused them of saying.

    Their argument in that one was that holding democrats accountable is necessary to get them to change their positions, which will in turn help them win.

    Try again. Or just admit you made it up whole cloth, as y'all do.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    "Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds" and "Liberals are perfectly happy voting for Democrats despite the genocide" doesn't say "Harris voters are fascists" to you?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah but they didn't say exactly what you said they said so neener neener you're a weener

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    They’re using the definition of “liberal” as neoliberal or classic liberal, as in basically, capitalists. It gets confusing since in the US the term means center-left people with a focus on improving lives for racial and gender minorities and women. But also these “omg I’m a communist bro so leftist” people like do the “both sides are the same” crap and claim that democrats and republicans are equivalent because they’re both “liberals”, as in capitalists, as if we’ll have a choice about that anytime soon in the us. Also they completely ignore that the democrats are more likely to enact socialist policies while republicans bitterly oppose them.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds" is a common expression. "Liberals are perfectly happy voting for Democrats despite the genocide” is just factually true. If that means the same thing as "Harris voters are fascists," then, uh, if the shoe fits wear it I guess.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    And where are your links then if it is factually true?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Where are my links that liberals are voting for Harris? Uhh, if you really need them, here are some:

    1 2 3

    Would you like me to provide sources that the earth revolves around the sun or that a bachelor is an unmarried man? I don't understand how you could spend 5 minutes on here without finding someone who's voting Harris in spite of the genocide.

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