▲ 144 ▼ Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp called to publicly oppose sanctions against DA in Trump case (www.usatoday.com) submitted 2 years ago by YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 13 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (3 children) They going get her removed get the case dropped our moved to federal court were he can be pardon or pardon himself. The Republican party should just change it name to the fascist party because they don't believe they should be punished for any crimes they commit. And fucking set on their hands Democrats are going let it happen with little push back. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're pretty wrong here. If any defendants have their cases removed to federal court, that does not change the nature of the charges. They're still state charges, and follow the pardon rules of the State of Georgia. These charges cannot be pardoned by any POTUS. Based on the statements by Judge Chutkan, and the setting of an October 23rd trial date for Chesebro (and likely Powell), this is moving forward very quickly, and with appropriate "push back." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geekworking@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason for pushing for fast trials is to help the RICO case. Having convictions for Trumps minions sets the stage to prove that a criminal organization exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) It was Chesebro who put in for a speedy trial. And then Powell followed with a copy and paste, not even changing the pronoun gender. She's going on Oct 23rd, too, mark my words. So yeah, we get to find out all about the criminal conspiracy way sooner than anyone expected. So why did Chesebro and Powell volunteer to go early? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Fredselfish@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Until we see Trump on trail I am not going hold my breath. And federal crimes can be pardon why Trump and co are fighting so hard to make a federal case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago Again, you're wrong. I'll say it again: The Georgia indictments are state charges. Removing the case to federal court does not change that. They will still be tried on state charges, be sentenced by state guidelines, and have to follow the pardon rules of the state of Georgia (which means no pardon, really). permalink fedilink source parent [–] DoctorWhookah@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago They’re still state charges. You can’t change them from state to federal by changing courts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) Don't pardons require admitting guilt? And in this case, admitting guilt should disqualify him from being president, if the constitution was followed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flipht@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago No. There is some legal theorizing that it does, and there have been people who refused pardons because they didn't want the appearance of accepting guilt. But legally speaking, accepting the pardon wouldn't change anything about the situation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HWK_290@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A good point I had not yet seen expressed! permalink fedilink source parent [–] mephiska@artemis.camp 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, even if it gets moved to federal court, these are still state charges and not pardonable by the president. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But Trump and co are to dumb to know that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're pretty wrong here. If any defendants have their cases removed to federal court, that does not change the nature of the charges. They're still state charges, and follow the pardon rules of the State of Georgia. These charges cannot be pardoned by any POTUS. Based on the statements by Judge Chutkan, and the setting of an October 23rd trial date for Chesebro (and likely Powell), this is moving forward very quickly, and with appropriate "push back." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geekworking@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason for pushing for fast trials is to help the RICO case. Having convictions for Trumps minions sets the stage to prove that a criminal organization exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) It was Chesebro who put in for a speedy trial. And then Powell followed with a copy and paste, not even changing the pronoun gender. She's going on Oct 23rd, too, mark my words. So yeah, we get to find out all about the criminal conspiracy way sooner than anyone expected. So why did Chesebro and Powell volunteer to go early? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Fredselfish@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Until we see Trump on trail I am not going hold my breath. And federal crimes can be pardon why Trump and co are fighting so hard to make a federal case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago Again, you're wrong. I'll say it again: The Georgia indictments are state charges. Removing the case to federal court does not change that. They will still be tried on state charges, be sentenced by state guidelines, and have to follow the pardon rules of the state of Georgia (which means no pardon, really). permalink fedilink source parent [–] DoctorWhookah@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago They’re still state charges. You can’t change them from state to federal by changing courts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geekworking@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The reason for pushing for fast trials is to help the RICO case. Having convictions for Trumps minions sets the stage to prove that a criminal organization exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) It was Chesebro who put in for a speedy trial. And then Powell followed with a copy and paste, not even changing the pronoun gender. She's going on Oct 23rd, too, mark my words. So yeah, we get to find out all about the criminal conspiracy way sooner than anyone expected. So why did Chesebro and Powell volunteer to go early? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) It was Chesebro who put in for a speedy trial. And then Powell followed with a copy and paste, not even changing the pronoun gender. She's going on Oct 23rd, too, mark my words. So yeah, we get to find out all about the criminal conspiracy way sooner than anyone expected. So why did Chesebro and Powell volunteer to go early? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Fredselfish@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Until we see Trump on trail I am not going hold my breath. And federal crimes can be pardon why Trump and co are fighting so hard to make a federal case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago Again, you're wrong. I'll say it again: The Georgia indictments are state charges. Removing the case to federal court does not change that. They will still be tried on state charges, be sentenced by state guidelines, and have to follow the pardon rules of the state of Georgia (which means no pardon, really). permalink fedilink source parent [–] DoctorWhookah@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago They’re still state charges. You can’t change them from state to federal by changing courts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago Again, you're wrong. I'll say it again: The Georgia indictments are state charges. Removing the case to federal court does not change that. They will still be tried on state charges, be sentenced by state guidelines, and have to follow the pardon rules of the state of Georgia (which means no pardon, really). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DoctorWhookah@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago They’re still state charges. You can’t change them from state to federal by changing courts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) Don't pardons require admitting guilt? And in this case, admitting guilt should disqualify him from being president, if the constitution was followed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flipht@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago No. There is some legal theorizing that it does, and there have been people who refused pardons because they didn't want the appearance of accepting guilt. But legally speaking, accepting the pardon wouldn't change anything about the situation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HWK_290@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A good point I had not yet seen expressed! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flipht@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago No. There is some legal theorizing that it does, and there have been people who refused pardons because they didn't want the appearance of accepting guilt. But legally speaking, accepting the pardon wouldn't change anything about the situation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HWK_290@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A good point I had not yet seen expressed! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mephiska@artemis.camp 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, even if it gets moved to federal court, these are still state charges and not pardonable by the president. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But Trump and co are to dumb to know that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But Trump and co are to dumb to know that. permalink fedilink source parent