101
Is Dune part 2 worth watching? (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/sciencefiction@lemmy.world
51 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

I just finished part 1 and, well, I'm kinda disappointed. It's not bad, I think it's actually pretty solid, but compared to the book it's much worse in terms of story progression and characters. Some parts felt really rushed. I didn't expect it to be better than the book, but I still expected better adaptation considering that (at least as far as I know) it was well received and I knew that it didn't adapt whole book so I expected it to don't skip too much. Is part 2 any better?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

The movie is basically "guy gets cast as Messiah by evil cabal machinations and is too big a baby to do anything about it". The end.

Leaving aside for a moment the sheer complexity of the themes and the plot and the universe in the book —that didn't make it through— the movie doesn't even stay faithful to itself. Every single person who's had any influence on Paul gets discarded just so he can fulfill his ultimate destiny of being a sad, wet blanket with a "welp, I guess we're doing that" attitude.

But seriously, how do you manage to make two movies and have nothing important from the rich Dune universe make it through? This could have just as easily been set in the Star Wars universe with only minor alterations and nobody among the general public would have batted an eye.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, sorry man. I just disagree. I only read the first dune book and half of messiah so far. But I really think the movie did a great job with it. Agree to disagree

    Also the two movies look gorgeous on 4k HDR Blu-ray, but I digress.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    There's more to a movie adaptation than good casting, nice imagery, good music and loosely following the events.

    There are huge plot holes, for example. To mention just one, how can a bunch of savages on a backwater planet win against the resources of the entire Empire? They might pull off a victory here and there, in carefully planned condition, on their own planet, but how can they win a war against a space-faring enemy with entire fleets at their disposal?

    Even on home turf they're outgunned, the movie actually shows what happens if the Harkonnen were to use conventional weapons in earnest, they bomb the shit out of them because the Fremen have no shields. But its only done once then conveniently never again. There's a limit to how far hand-to-hand combat will go, especially in a high-tech future war. It's suited to guerilla warfare, assassinations, but not all-out war.

    There are of course answers to all of the above but they're not in the movies.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    The war for Arrakis is the classic tale of a small number of colonizers against a larger, motivated, native population. The Harrkonens drastically underestimate the total number of Fremen, and try to fight stand-up battles while the Fremen simply ambush less protected targets. I thought this came across fine in the movie.

    The more problematic undertone come directly from Frank Herbert, who had this theory that military prowess only comes from hardship (that's why the Sardaukar are so tough - because the prison planet they are trained on is so harsh), and the Fremen are nigh-invincible fighters because Arrakis is so hard to survive on. This is a misconception that repeats across earlier anthropological study (e.g. ancient Sparta) and is closely tied to the 'Noble Savage' trope.

    Also, there never was a fight against the 'resources of the entire empire', Paul and the Fremen fought and defeated the Harkonnens in months-long (movie) or years-long (book) guerilla campaign aimed at lowering spice production. Eventually the Emperor brought his personal forces planetside to restore order. Detachments from the other houses remained in orbit and were not permitted to make planetfall. This is when the Fremen play their trump card of surprise worm attack.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent