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UK riots: Judge hands down longest jail sentences yet (www.bbc.co.uk)
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Someone looted Lush.

"Don't worry darling, I got something for you"

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[–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • He was a repeat offender of nonviolent crimes.

And? Does that somehow mean it shouldn't factor into the decision? Should a serial fraudster be unpunished, because fraud is non-violent?

Besides, I'd say purposely blocking ambulances saying you're fine if the person inside dies is pretty violent.

  • He was held in contempt after the court refused to allow him to speak to the motivation behind his crime, a key component in any defence of nonviolent civil disobedience.

He was held in contempt of court for making a scene more than once. When you're in court, you're not the one calling the shots.

  • Of course he said he would commit the "crime" again. It's civil disobedience. What exactly are you expecting?

What are you expecting? The judge to say "look, I know as soon as you're free you're going to commit more crime, possibly even killing someone, as you've mentioned. But because climate change is a thing, I'm going to just let it happen. Btw I hope you enjoy your flight to America for that wedding!"

And no, don't put crime in quotes. It's not "crime", it's crime. "Crime" implies that it wasn't a real crime. It was. He is a criminal. It was proven, he was guilty, he is going to prison. Crime.

What you've said here changes nothing. He's still a repeat offender. He was still in contempt of court. He's still, by his own admission, a potential danger to the lives of others, he still intended to commit more crimes. And he's still a gargantuan hypocrite for wanting to kill someone for having the audacity of being passenger in a petrol-powered ambulance, while at the same time thinking it's fine to fly to America 6,000km+ away, to attend a bloody wedding.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I never contested the facts as stated, only that their presentation, devoid of context was misleading. I put "crime" in quotes to demonstrate the absurdity of a system that imprisons people for blocking traffic when those actually burning the planet are treated with the highest respect by our elected representatives. This wasn't defrauding old ladies, it was causing a traffic jam.

    Normal car traffic blocks ambulances all the time, and yet no one seems to consider it a crime punishable by 5 years. Meanwhile, a woman kills a cyclist with her car and gets a suspended sentence. Canada is on fire. Greece is on fire. Bulgaria, Italy, North Macedonia, Turkey, Spain, and Portugal are all on fire. How many ambulances-worth of people do you think are going to die as a result?

    And spare me the "he's a hypocrite 'cause he flew in a plane" pearl-clutching. He knows, as I'm sure you do that you don't fix climate change through individual action. Sure it feels nice to be all self-righteous and forego luxuries provided by bad energy policy, but real change comes through legislation that taxes the hell out of flying — you know, like JSO is demanding but for which our elected leaders would rather ignore because it'd be unpopular.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Being stuck in a traffic jam is very different to purposely causing one and purposely blocking an ambulance, with intent to kill. You are a psychopath if you think otherwise.

    You don't think purposely blocking ambulances should be a crime? That's fucked up.

    And spare me the "he's a hypocrite 'cause he flew in a plane" pearl-clutching.

    No. Here he is being against people being in ambulances, while he feels it's fine for him to fly around the world, while at the same time saying that poor people (and only poor people!) shouldn't be allowed to fly.

    Just more class warfare from upper class toffs who hate the poor. It's absolutely repulsive. Hope he has a good think about how much of a POS he is while he's in prison.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "Class warfare" from someone willing to literally go to prison to prevent millions of the poor dying in climate change. Right.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Yes. Class warfare. From someone who believes rich people should be able to fly around frivolously, but wants to stop poor people from being able to do it at all.

    If it wasn't class warfare, it would be something like a yearly flight allowance for each individual. Not a "sorry poors, you can't fly, but the rich can. Maybe pull yourself up by the bootstraps?"

    We aren't talking "yOu'rE a hYpOcRiTe bEcAuSe yOu'Re aGAinSt cLiMatE ChAnGe bUt hAvE a GaS sToVe" — we're talking someone who flies around frivolously (the most environmentally damaging thing you can do), including 6000km+ to attend a wedding, while at the same time saying it should be fine for him to do so, because he's wealthy. It's just the poor people that shouldn't be allowed.

    I suppose the dirty working class scum just shouldn't have a holiday abroad every 5 years, they need to make sacrifices so that the wealthy can fly around in private jets or take a 6000km flight to a wedding.

    It's disgusting. And even more repulsive are people who say they're left wing but celebrate open attacks like that on the working class.

    You understand?

    Also, do you still think purposely blocking an ambulance and saying you intend for any person inside to die is the same as being stuck in morning traffic in the car/bus on the way to work? Because if so we're done here. That's the view of a terrorist. People shouldn't be killed just because the ambulance that turned up to save them has a combustion engine.

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