β² 571 βΌ Autobesity: More than 150 car models too big for regular UK parking spaces (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by boem@lemmy.world to c/europe@feddit.de 80 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] ladel@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] taladar@feddit.de 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) You could always tax by emissions and weight. EVs are not really the solution to the general car problem anyway. Mass transit is, at least in cities and other densely populated areas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (3 children) I think we agree but I still need to point out: Individual transport will always be a requirement for living in rural areas. The βfuck carsβ sentiment only makes sense in cities with more than ~3 million inhabitants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Arbic@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree with the sentiment on cars in the city, I'd say that it is already viable in much smaller cities. I live in a city with 350k inhabitants and I'm doing quite well without a car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 years ago For sure. But forbidding cars doesn't make sense until you have several millions of people in a single city. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you smoking lmao, do you seriously think anything below 3 million people is rural? rural is when it takes you an hour to reach the nearest grocery store by car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's not rural, that's ultra remote wilderness. Like what place doesn't have a grocery store in a 100km radius? Some place deep in the Australian outback? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) i'm very curious what on earth your definition of rural is then, your parent's backyard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago My definition of rural is a place with some semblance of human habitation that is not urban. A speck of land characterized by villages, farms or forestry. Where you have limited access to the amenities found in cities. However, what village does not have a grocery store? Or at least not one in the next bigger village? Do you have some examples of villages without a grocery store an hour of driving away? permalink fedilink source parent [β] lemann@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Village of ~10k, nearest grocery store is 25min walk, 10min bike, 5min car. There are also three smaller stores a 2 min walk away. Europe for reference permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago I sincerely doubt there is a a place in Europe outside of maybe remote Scandinavia or Russia where you can't get to a grocery store after driving for an hour. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ECB@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago 3 million is gigantic! The country I'm in currently barely has that many people You can do car-free at any size if its planned right. permalink fedilink source parent [β] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) All UK residents pay road tax, whether they own a vehicle or not. You're referring to emissions tax, which only the vehicle owner pays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] bug@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Technically correct, but everyone colloquially still refers to the tax that you pay on your car as road tax even though it's now emissions-based permalink fedilink source parent [+] ladel@feddit.uk -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago It's called 'vehicle exercise duty'. At least get it right if you're going to be pedantic. It is directly related to emissions, therefore emissions tax is more appropriate for a nickname. permalink fedilink source parent [β] tartinki_szwertowi@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Small diesel car is much better than huge EV car in any city. Just look at any comparision on effectiveness of transport means and how cars are the least effective. If we allow to have now even bigger cars on our roads, then we end with even less effective communication, especially in places where buses get stuck in traffic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] uint8_t@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Small diesel car is much better than huge EV car in any city. [citation needed] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago I'd rather a quiet EV than a noisy & polluting combustion engine personally. Living on a busy road has honestly made me dislike cars much more though, they are SO NOISY, and people around here rev their motorbikes and car engines so damn much especially at night time. I'm a deep sleeper so I don't hear it unless I'm awake, but I feel sorry for the neighbours. Even the buses that go past are way quieter than the cars (the electric ones are completely silent), dunno if they're using more expensive tyres or something π€·ββοΈ. Also I can forget opening windows during rush hour periods. The exhaust smell takes over the house pretty quickly, especially when there's start/stop traffic βΉοΈ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] taladar@feddit.de 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) You could always tax by emissions and weight. EVs are not really the solution to the general car problem anyway. Mass transit is, at least in cities and other densely populated areas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (3 children) I think we agree but I still need to point out: Individual transport will always be a requirement for living in rural areas. The βfuck carsβ sentiment only makes sense in cities with more than ~3 million inhabitants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Arbic@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree with the sentiment on cars in the city, I'd say that it is already viable in much smaller cities. I live in a city with 350k inhabitants and I'm doing quite well without a car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 years ago For sure. But forbidding cars doesn't make sense until you have several millions of people in a single city. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you smoking lmao, do you seriously think anything below 3 million people is rural? rural is when it takes you an hour to reach the nearest grocery store by car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's not rural, that's ultra remote wilderness. Like what place doesn't have a grocery store in a 100km radius? Some place deep in the Australian outback? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) i'm very curious what on earth your definition of rural is then, your parent's backyard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago My definition of rural is a place with some semblance of human habitation that is not urban. A speck of land characterized by villages, farms or forestry. Where you have limited access to the amenities found in cities. However, what village does not have a grocery store? Or at least not one in the next bigger village? Do you have some examples of villages without a grocery store an hour of driving away? permalink fedilink source parent [β] lemann@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Village of ~10k, nearest grocery store is 25min walk, 10min bike, 5min car. There are also three smaller stores a 2 min walk away. Europe for reference permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago I sincerely doubt there is a a place in Europe outside of maybe remote Scandinavia or Russia where you can't get to a grocery store after driving for an hour. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ECB@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago 3 million is gigantic! The country I'm in currently barely has that many people You can do car-free at any size if its planned right. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (3 children) I think we agree but I still need to point out: Individual transport will always be a requirement for living in rural areas. The βfuck carsβ sentiment only makes sense in cities with more than ~3 million inhabitants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Arbic@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree with the sentiment on cars in the city, I'd say that it is already viable in much smaller cities. I live in a city with 350k inhabitants and I'm doing quite well without a car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 years ago For sure. But forbidding cars doesn't make sense until you have several millions of people in a single city. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you smoking lmao, do you seriously think anything below 3 million people is rural? rural is when it takes you an hour to reach the nearest grocery store by car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's not rural, that's ultra remote wilderness. Like what place doesn't have a grocery store in a 100km radius? Some place deep in the Australian outback? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) i'm very curious what on earth your definition of rural is then, your parent's backyard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago My definition of rural is a place with some semblance of human habitation that is not urban. A speck of land characterized by villages, farms or forestry. Where you have limited access to the amenities found in cities. However, what village does not have a grocery store? Or at least not one in the next bigger village? Do you have some examples of villages without a grocery store an hour of driving away? permalink fedilink source parent [β] lemann@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Village of ~10k, nearest grocery store is 25min walk, 10min bike, 5min car. There are also three smaller stores a 2 min walk away. Europe for reference permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago I sincerely doubt there is a a place in Europe outside of maybe remote Scandinavia or Russia where you can't get to a grocery store after driving for an hour. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ECB@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago 3 million is gigantic! The country I'm in currently barely has that many people You can do car-free at any size if its planned right. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Arbic@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree with the sentiment on cars in the city, I'd say that it is already viable in much smaller cities. I live in a city with 350k inhabitants and I'm doing quite well without a car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 years ago For sure. But forbidding cars doesn't make sense until you have several millions of people in a single city. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 years ago For sure. But forbidding cars doesn't make sense until you have several millions of people in a single city. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you smoking lmao, do you seriously think anything below 3 million people is rural? rural is when it takes you an hour to reach the nearest grocery store by car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's not rural, that's ultra remote wilderness. Like what place doesn't have a grocery store in a 100km radius? Some place deep in the Australian outback? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) i'm very curious what on earth your definition of rural is then, your parent's backyard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago My definition of rural is a place with some semblance of human habitation that is not urban. A speck of land characterized by villages, farms or forestry. Where you have limited access to the amenities found in cities. However, what village does not have a grocery store? Or at least not one in the next bigger village? Do you have some examples of villages without a grocery store an hour of driving away? permalink fedilink source parent [β] lemann@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Village of ~10k, nearest grocery store is 25min walk, 10min bike, 5min car. There are also three smaller stores a 2 min walk away. Europe for reference permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago I sincerely doubt there is a a place in Europe outside of maybe remote Scandinavia or Russia where you can't get to a grocery store after driving for an hour. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] andrai@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's not rural, that's ultra remote wilderness. Like what place doesn't have a grocery store in a 100km radius? Some place deep in the Australian outback? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) i'm very curious what on earth your definition of rural is then, your parent's backyard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago My definition of rural is a place with some semblance of human habitation that is not urban. A speck of land characterized by villages, farms or forestry. Where you have limited access to the amenities found in cities. However, what village does not have a grocery store? Or at least not one in the next bigger village? Do you have some examples of villages without a grocery store an hour of driving away? permalink fedilink source parent [β] lemann@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Village of ~10k, nearest grocery store is 25min walk, 10min bike, 5min car. There are also three smaller stores a 2 min walk away. Europe for reference permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago I sincerely doubt there is a a place in Europe outside of maybe remote Scandinavia or Russia where you can't get to a grocery store after driving for an hour. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) i'm very curious what on earth your definition of rural is then, your parent's backyard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago My definition of rural is a place with some semblance of human habitation that is not urban. A speck of land characterized by villages, farms or forestry. Where you have limited access to the amenities found in cities. However, what village does not have a grocery store? Or at least not one in the next bigger village? Do you have some examples of villages without a grocery store an hour of driving away? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] andrai@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago My definition of rural is a place with some semblance of human habitation that is not urban. A speck of land characterized by villages, farms or forestry. Where you have limited access to the amenities found in cities. However, what village does not have a grocery store? Or at least not one in the next bigger village? Do you have some examples of villages without a grocery store an hour of driving away? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lemann@lemmy.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Village of ~10k, nearest grocery store is 25min walk, 10min bike, 5min car. There are also three smaller stores a 2 min walk away. Europe for reference permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] andrai@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago I sincerely doubt there is a a place in Europe outside of maybe remote Scandinavia or Russia where you can't get to a grocery store after driving for an hour. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] andrai@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago I sincerely doubt there is a a place in Europe outside of maybe remote Scandinavia or Russia where you can't get to a grocery store after driving for an hour. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ECB@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago 3 million is gigantic! The country I'm in currently barely has that many people You can do car-free at any size if its planned right. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) All UK residents pay road tax, whether they own a vehicle or not. You're referring to emissions tax, which only the vehicle owner pays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] bug@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Technically correct, but everyone colloquially still refers to the tax that you pay on your car as road tax even though it's now emissions-based permalink fedilink source parent [+] ladel@feddit.uk -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago It's called 'vehicle exercise duty'. At least get it right if you're going to be pedantic. It is directly related to emissions, therefore emissions tax is more appropriate for a nickname. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] bug@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago Technically correct, but everyone colloquially still refers to the tax that you pay on your car as road tax even though it's now emissions-based permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ladel@feddit.uk -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago It's called 'vehicle exercise duty'. At least get it right if you're going to be pedantic. It is directly related to emissions, therefore emissions tax is more appropriate for a nickname. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago It's called 'vehicle exercise duty'. At least get it right if you're going to be pedantic. It is directly related to emissions, therefore emissions tax is more appropriate for a nickname. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] tartinki_szwertowi@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Small diesel car is much better than huge EV car in any city. Just look at any comparision on effectiveness of transport means and how cars are the least effective. If we allow to have now even bigger cars on our roads, then we end with even less effective communication, especially in places where buses get stuck in traffic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] uint8_t@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Small diesel car is much better than huge EV car in any city. [citation needed] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago I'd rather a quiet EV than a noisy & polluting combustion engine personally. Living on a busy road has honestly made me dislike cars much more though, they are SO NOISY, and people around here rev their motorbikes and car engines so damn much especially at night time. I'm a deep sleeper so I don't hear it unless I'm awake, but I feel sorry for the neighbours. Even the buses that go past are way quieter than the cars (the electric ones are completely silent), dunno if they're using more expensive tyres or something π€·ββοΈ. Also I can forget opening windows during rush hour periods. The exhaust smell takes over the house pretty quickly, especially when there's start/stop traffic βΉοΈ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] uint8_t@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Small diesel car is much better than huge EV car in any city. [citation needed] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago I'd rather a quiet EV than a noisy & polluting combustion engine personally. Living on a busy road has honestly made me dislike cars much more though, they are SO NOISY, and people around here rev their motorbikes and car engines so damn much especially at night time. I'm a deep sleeper so I don't hear it unless I'm awake, but I feel sorry for the neighbours. Even the buses that go past are way quieter than the cars (the electric ones are completely silent), dunno if they're using more expensive tyres or something π€·ββοΈ. Also I can forget opening windows during rush hour periods. The exhaust smell takes over the house pretty quickly, especially when there's start/stop traffic βΉοΈ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lemann@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago I'd rather a quiet EV than a noisy & polluting combustion engine personally. Living on a busy road has honestly made me dislike cars much more though, they are SO NOISY, and people around here rev their motorbikes and car engines so damn much especially at night time. I'm a deep sleeper so I don't hear it unless I'm awake, but I feel sorry for the neighbours. Even the buses that go past are way quieter than the cars (the electric ones are completely silent), dunno if they're using more expensive tyres or something π€·ββοΈ. Also I can forget opening windows during rush hour periods. The exhaust smell takes over the house pretty quickly, especially when there's start/stop traffic βΉοΈ permalink fedilink source parent